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The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by deepaksurti »

mcherm wrote: post #19

I actually question whether the real story is the fall of Eclipse or the rise of Intellij. My impression (as someone who used both) is that Intellij IDEA was significantly better than Eclipse (to the extent that I went out of my way to be the sole developer who used it on a team of Eclipse users) but that it was not widely used. Then they decided to release the community edition which enabled people to try it without…

For a wider and orthogonal perspective: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16941133

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by coliveira »

maxxxxx wrote: post #45
acomjean wrote: post #14

I use both. Jetbrains is better, but it costs money. Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse. I use eclipse because I'm maintaining some tomcat code, and the code live in an eclipse project world. Eclipse works and once set up it does it job well. The truth is its just too complex. I still can't get it to work with Git. Eclipse is free (since I use it professionally I donated.) one example in Jetbrains I c…

" Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse." We talking about people making 100k+ but are worried about spending a few hundred for a better tool. It just shows that the same amount of money is valued different in a different context. Spending 500 more for a better laptop is being questioned and two days later you got to dinner with some VPs and they blow more than $200 per person for wine and food.

It all depends what of developer you are. If you work as a contractor it makes sense, but people working as employees have no incentive to buy more hardware and/or software.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by codinghabit »

I've always felt that if there was an Eclipse 'lite' it would garner lots of attention and be the go-to Java IDE for lots of developers. Eclipse got waaay to big and slow and had several bugs where the solution was always 'restart Eclipse'.

That being said, programming in Eclipse reminds me of simpler times where I would program just for fun.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by geophile »

When did Eclipse not suck in comparison to Intellij? I've been using Intellij since 3.x, and every time I looked in on Eclipse, there was simply no comparison. Intellij had a far more cohesive design -- at least for me, it worked the way I expected, whereas with Eclipse, I had to spend time hunting for what I wanted to do. Intellij has always looked better. And it has always (up to the last time I looked at Eclipse -- five years ago?) had a much better understanding of the language, and doing the right thing in context.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by stephen »

altcognito wrote: post #41
stephen wrote: post #27

"That era is now over." Not sure that is true (pedantically), as my son is building Minecraft modules in CodaKid, and they have him using Eclipse, I'm sure b/c it's free: https://codakid.com/ . (They have great classes, FWIW/IMO, not affiliated.) I also don't get all of the "Eclipse is super-hard to use" comments in the thread. Look, I love LPS and think that now that we have the luxury of local cross-process wire ca…

LPS?

Sure, sorry, Language Server Protocol:

http://langserver.org/

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by nxc18 »

tootie wrote: post #11

I feel like VS Code is on it's way to becoming the next generation of Eclipse. It's a great platform, but now it's practically just a plugin framework. I'm hoping the maturation of the open source world will have us not repeat the same mistakes. Classic Eclipse plugins were all either created by big software vendors who wanted to create a good developer experience for their products or eager amateurs who were scratch…

You could be on to something. There are quite a lot of Java sessions scheduled for Microsoft's Build conference this year.

Certainly Eclipse has left them plenty of room to swoop in, perhaps as the alternative to IntelliJ.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by coliveira »

megaman22 wrote: post #51
acomjean wrote: post #14

I use both. Jetbrains is better, but it costs money. Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse. I use eclipse because I'm maintaining some tomcat code, and the code live in an eclipse project world. Eclipse works and once set up it does it job well. The truth is its just too complex. I still can't get it to work with Git. Eclipse is free (since I use it professionally I donated.) one example in Jetbrains I c…

Jetbrains costs money, but it's a rounding error for a professional developer. The full Jetbrains toolbox costs less than a dollar a day. My office spends more money on coffee for the breakroom than we do on Jetbrains licensing for our developers.

The problem is not making the payment, is to convince the company that everybody (or even some people) need that license. In some companies this is a lot of trouble.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by yndoendo »

Elrac wrote: post #23
PeterStuer wrote: post #15

Being used to Visual Studio, every time I needed to use Eclipse I kept wondering how Java developers could tolerate such an environment. Now I know ofc some of it is due to less familiarity and exposure, but it realy felt like stepping back 15 years in time each time I launched it.

I'm not sure in what way your Eclipse experience was so atavistic, but I'd like to point out that at least for several years I was aware of, Eclipse had a significant competitive advantage: Incremental compilation. You could make a small change, do a Ctrl-S, and Eclipse would compile the change nearly instantly, where all competing products (that I was aware of, correct me if you know better) needed to fire up a Java…

Incremental compilation is not tied to the compiler, since it has this ability when coding C/C++ applications too. I always disabled it since does not work properly with multi-project with custom libraries. Main project, it worked just fine.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by paullth »

Netbeans was better/easier to use than Eclipse for a long time in my opinion (100% accept that isn't worth a whole lot). I vaguely remember that in about 2010/2011 trying to use the maven and git plugins for eclipse together and hitting a lot of errors. Netbeans wasn't perfect but it worked AND used the system installations of git/mvn. Also, Ive never understood why Eclipse insists (at least last time I used it) on importing files/directories into some sort of workspace decoupling the files you see in the IDE from those on the disk.

Switched to jetbrains IDEs now though ha

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