Most of the reviewer's comments aren't about anything new in 18.04. It's like he didn't see any of the 17.* releases?
The reviewer does indeed say that they haven't used Gnome before, and didn't use Unity.
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to balance this out: I suspect for every passionate Gnome-3-hater there are 10 users who think it's fine.
I bet with systemd it is even higher, 100:1 or 1000:1, but the few haters are extremely noisy.
> I bet with systemd it is even higher, 100:1 or 1000:1, but the few haters are extremely noisy.
People who have positive things to say about systemd have learned long ago to stay away from most discussions about it on places like Hacker News, because they'll just get drive-by-downvoted.
They're still around, and they still like (or at least appreciate) systemd; you just won't see them commenting much on those sorts of threads.
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#173I'm not mincing my words here but Gnome 3 is just an unpolishable turd and needs to go away. It's just trying to be original and clever but has missed the mark so incredibly far that makes it the most frustrating thing possible to use on a daily basis. I have tried on and off for 2 years and it is just eye gouging pain to use. I crawl back to xubuntu and XFCE in the end every time as it does the service of getting ou…
You terribly exagerate. Actually Gnome3 is currently the only desktop environment which gets Wayland somewhat right. I fear they got where they are by doing some false turns like a global lock in the compositor and client side decorations. Your systemd utterings completely lack any architectural or technological reasoning
> which gets Wayland somewhat right
Wayland has been in development for 10 year, let's hope they fix it in the next 10.
Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)
#174Ubuntu lost me years back when they introduced Unity. The single biggest issue I had with it was the positioning of the dock and how there was no officially supported means of changing it. I didn't like it from a design perspective but far worse was my RSI which was particularly bad at the time, even subtle things like button placement would just set everything right off. I wasn't the only one who wanted the option t…
Unity was a terrible pock-mark on the face of desktop interfaces. I was excited to see Gnome 3 supplant it (I've held the unpopular opinion that Gnome 3 isn't all that bad, and I've used it off and on since 10.10). After a couple of hours use, I've seen it crash just like Unity. It's almost as if they took the crashy bits and put them into Gnome. I'm also dismayed at how hard it is to enable theming. Gnome Tweak Tool comes with that option locked out by default. Themes in general have been a pain for many years.
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#175I appreciate his no-bs approach to the review - he sticks to what matters to him, not all the new shiny bells and whistles.
That said, I would have loved some more input on audio management in the new Ubuntu. pulseaudio is giving me such a headache in 17.10 - random static noise, not remembering the right output or the volume, etc etc..
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#176The technical audience who actually use Linux desktops want more customization not less, and the crowd that Ubuntu seems to be chasing doesn't seem to actually exist? Hmm this doesn't make me want to leave xubuntu any time soon, although I too have noticed the recent xfce issues mentioned in the article.
As a member of the technical audience who actually uses Linux (Ubuntu), I want almost no customization. I want sane and tested defaults, not a bunch of knobs to adjust things. I mourn the loss of the Unity Desktop which was virtually perfect OOTB. It had a great management of the screen space, especially on laptops, it was pretty, and it worked. I wouldn't even change the desktop background.
Totally agree with you about not wanting a bunch of knobs to tweak things. It’s just too much time wasted to deal with when you are just wanting a desktop that works.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to balance this out: I suspect for every passionate Gnome-3-hater there are 10 users who think it's fine.
I think the proportion is more realistically 2 haters who moved to xfce/mate, 1 who likes it and 5 people who shook their head in shame and went straight back to Windows or OSX. Edit: just to back my point up; most of the people who I have seen who have tried to move to Linux have done a relatively sharpish 180 when the UI pokes them in the eye (gnome or unity)
That's all anecdotal evidence. Most people that I know use GNOME 3 which is then followed by Cinnamon and Xfce. I know only one KDE 4 user.
If GNOME 3 didn't exist, I wouldn't be using Linux on the desktop.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the proportion is more realistically 2 haters who moved to xfce/mate, 1 who likes it and 5 people who shook their head in shame and went straight back to Windows or OSX. Edit: just to back my point up; most of the people who I have seen who have tried to move to Linux have done a relatively sharpish 180 when the UI pokes them in the eye (gnome or unity)
That's all anecdotal evidence. Most people that I know use GNOME 3 which is then followed by Cinnamon and Xfce. I know only one KDE 4 user. If GNOME 3 didn't exist, I wouldn't be using Linux on the desktop.
Have you read the Gnome usability testing documents? That's a collection of anecdotes and assumptions far larger than mine.
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And the integration with Amazon was underrated. It’s nice to search your files and always see some great product promotions without having to adjust knobs as you aptly put it.
I guess that's nice if you like it. I find that appalling, stupid and distracting ("Why, I was just searching my notes for details of a meeting from last year because the details suddenly became really important, but now that you mention it, now is the right time to consider dress shoes!"). Ads in the OS are awful. If this has to exist, it needs to be off by default with clear, easy-to-find knobs for removing the spy…
I doubt the parent was being serious.
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>The GNOME Foundation has run into cash flow problems [...] got into this situation through its Outreach Program for Women [...] "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2Mjc
You're saying their software is poor quality* because they employ... Women? * Your opinion, not mine.
That is a deliberate mischaracterization of the OP's comment. It in no way implies that the software is poor because of women.
The outreach program is political, and is rather discriminatory and sexist.