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A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by Yetanfou »

megaman22 wrote: post #33
panarky wrote: post #31

When the display goes to sleep due to lack of input or whatever, you have to drag upwards with your mouse to unlock the screen. Like some common dirty frickin' smart phone. Yes! Dragging a window to the top of the screen maximizes the window. FOR GODS SAKE WHY. Double yes!

I will never understand why Ubuntu took a very nice desktop Linux distribution, and fucked it up with all these mobile and tablet centric UI absurdities.

They did that because they'd caught the one-size-fits-all virus which made them yearn for Ubuntu phones and Ubuntu tablets. Those ventures did not really come to fruition but the side effects still show. Given the prevalence of touch-screen laptops it wouldn't surprise me if part of this idea actually does find a niche to settle in on convertible devices.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by sametmax »

copperx wrote: post #84
sametmax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once a week is insane. I have 4 computers and 2 phones. No time for that. My mother update her distro twice a year, when I come over and think about it.

Isn't your number of computers insane? The right number of computers for most people is exactly one.

My girlfriends has 3 (2 laptops, one tablet) and one phone, and she isn't even a geek.

But let's be real, people installing arch don't have "one computer". Not the ones around me anyway.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by solarkraft »

panarky wrote: post #31

When the display goes to sleep due to lack of input or whatever, you have to drag upwards with your mouse to unlock the screen. Like some common dirty frickin' smart phone. Yes! Dragging a window to the top of the screen maximizes the window. FOR GODS SAKE WHY. Double yes!

> Dragging a window to the top of the screen maximizes the window. FOR GODS SAKE WHY.

Because it's a handy gesture.

> you have to drag upwards with your mouse to unlock the screen. Like some common dirty frickin' smart phone.

Yeah, that's pretty stupid.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by andrepd »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #92
setquk wrote: post #82

I'm not mincing my words here but Gnome 3 is just an unpolishable turd and needs to go away. It's just trying to be original and clever but has missed the mark so incredibly far that makes it the most frustrating thing possible to use on a daily basis. I have tried on and off for 2 years and it is just eye gouging pain to use. I crawl back to xubuntu and XFCE in the end every time as it does the service of getting ou…

UI is simply terribly hard. And the open source “bazaar” model also happens to be at its worst in UI work. You kinda need a dictator with taste to get UIs right, and the Linux community has neither dictators nor taste.

A counterexample to that is the many other DEs done right: Xfce, Cinnamon, etc.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by tutuca »

sz4kerto wrote: post #89

LTS. Meanwhile Gnome Shell is leaking memory like hell and it has bugs that've been open for 5 years and are marked as 'critical'. ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1... and the rest)

This is fixed in the release version.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by sametmax »

majewsky wrote: post #93
sametmax wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once a week is insane. I have 4 computers and 2 phones. No time for that. My mother update her distro twice a year, when I come over and think about it.

I have 5 computers (1 notebook, 1 desktop, 3 servers) on Arch, and I update daily. The twist is that I have a cronjob that downloads all the packages in the background, then pings me via XMPP and asks for confirmation to install the updates, and if that succeeds, asks if I want to restart any services or reboot the machine (in case of kernel upgrade). That whole thing takes me about 1 minute per day.

> I have a cronjob that downloads all the packages in the background, then pings me via XMPP

Yeah, you lost me there. Too much customization for me. Which is why I use Ubuntu.

You see the point is not that Arch or Ubuntu is better, but that it really targets very different user bases.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by VMG »

setquk wrote: post #82

I'm not mincing my words here but Gnome 3 is just an unpolishable turd and needs to go away. It's just trying to be original and clever but has missed the mark so incredibly far that makes it the most frustrating thing possible to use on a daily basis. I have tried on and off for 2 years and it is just eye gouging pain to use. I crawl back to xubuntu and XFCE in the end every time as it does the service of getting ou…

Just to balance this out: I suspect for every passionate Gnome-3-hater there are 10 users who think it's fine.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by gpdpocketer »

TekMol wrote: post #8

Ubuntu is dead for me since the release where they were sending the data you typed in the internal search across the internet. And Shuttleworth claimed it's not a big deal. Since then, I'm a happy Linux Mint user. And since we are talking about Linux distros: I tried a bunch of times to live with a distro that has no start bar at the bottom. Even after a few weeks my productivity does not recover. It's a mistery to m…

I use Ubuntu-Studio, which doesn't do this.

People seem to forget that Ubuntu is just the front door. You can totally turn all their crap off, run some other window manager, and avoid all the turdburgers.

True fact, the only reason it is that way is you didn't do something about it. If you want to argue about the reasons behind it being a default, thats one thing.

But please, for the sake of those of us who use Ubuntu- and its derivatives on a daily basis, please do not sally the water with piss-taking .. you most certainly do not have to stay at the front door.

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by jackhack »

megaman22 wrote: post #33
panarky wrote: post #31

When the display goes to sleep due to lack of input or whatever, you have to drag upwards with your mouse to unlock the screen. Like some common dirty frickin' smart phone. Yes! Dragging a window to the top of the screen maximizes the window. FOR GODS SAKE WHY. Double yes!

I will never understand why Ubuntu took a very nice desktop Linux distribution, and fucked it up with all these mobile and tablet centric UI absurdities.

It's the way of the world. Apple and Microsoft seem hell-bent on introducing "phone/tablet" type gestures into their desktop UIs also. It seems only natural that linux distros would follow.

Lesson for the kids making these decisions: "new and/or different" != better

Re: A Lengthy, Pedantic Review of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

Thaxll wrote: post #9
TekMol wrote: post #8

Ubuntu is dead for me since the release where they were sending the data you typed in the internal search across the internet. And Shuttleworth claimed it's not a big deal. Since then, I'm a happy Linux Mint user. And since we are talking about Linux distros: I tried a bunch of times to live with a distro that has no start bar at the bottom. Even after a few weeks my productivity does not recover. It's a mistery to m…

Mint the distro with shity security model right? You better stay with Ubuntu / Debian they know what they're doing on that side.

Their forum got hacked, it had absolutely nothing to do with the security of their OS.
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