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Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

It doesn't work that way. I learned it the hard way. I run a successful s/w company that was recently under targeted attacks by one of these hashtag campaigns. The gist was we wrote something about why we refused to hire women simply to improve the % of females in tech and why we want to hire the best people for the job irrespective of their gender. The goal of the post was to help people correctly contribute to gend…

Those really shouldn’t have been the biggest takeaways.

Cure vs prevention. If you write a blog on behalf of a business, perhaps ask someone to read it over - preferably someone who holds the views you seek to attack.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

#232

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Internet outrage is _never_ as widespread or important as it looks. The best way to predict the effect of any social media campaign against a person or organization is to evaluate the steadfastness of the campaign's target. If you are the target of an internet mob and you blink, you're not only going to enact mob-demanded changes that are detrimental to your interests, but also broadcast weakness and attract further…

I thought the #deleteuber campaign was somewhat successful? My understanding is a series of unfortunate events, largely kicked off by that campaign, ultimately led to Kalanick's downfall. http://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-uber-takedown...

There were a lot of problems at Uber beyond #deletuber. He probably would have gone anyway.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet outrage is _never_ as widespread or important as it looks. The best way to predict the effect of any social media campaign against a person or organization is to evaluate the steadfastness of the campaign's target. If you are the target of an internet mob and you blink, you're not only going to enact mob-demanded changes that are detrimental to your interests, but also broadcast weakness and attract further…

I thought the #deleteuber campaign was somewhat successful? My understanding is a series of unfortunate events, largely kicked off by that campaign, ultimately led to Kalanick's downfall. http://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-uber-takedown...

#deleteuber had pretty much gone away until Susan Fowler post pointed out real problems which led to all the changes at Uber.

From the article you pointed at:

By mid-February, #deleteuber had slowed to a trickle and Uber's top executives were exhausted. Kalanick and Michael booked their trip to Malibu for what was supposed to be a weekend of rest and recovery. Instead, Kalanick was reading Fowler's post.. [which] had already gone viral.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Internet outrage is _never_ as widespread or important as it looks. The best way to predict the effect of any social media campaign against a person or organization is to evaluate the steadfastness of the campaign's target. If you are the target of an internet mob and you blink, you're not only going to enact mob-demanded changes that are detrimental to your interests, but also broadcast weakness and attract further…

> A lot of people are starting to figure out that internet mobs have no real teeth.

In some ways this should be self evident. If they had the tools or connections to enact real change, they wouldn't be forming mobs on social media.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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They're tracking to around a likely ~$23 billion in net income for 2018. That's a 20 PE three quarters out. That's for 50% sales growth, 63% net income growth. That's a bargain in this market. Microsoft has hardly net grown its income in a decade and it's sporting a 30 PE; nearly all of their valuation increase the last five years is multiple inflation. Coca Cola has a 30 PE ratio and nearly zero growth for a decade.…

> That's a bargain in this market. When this market changes, some of these companies might suffer more than the others. What is going to happen to advertising budgets (practically their only source of revenue) in the next recession? Facebook also faces higher regulatory and reputational risk (in the US and elsewhere) that most of those companies. But of course compared to Netflix it looks incredibly undervalued! Edit…

Generally in harder economic times advertising retreats to the most successful platforms. At the moment that is Google and Facebook.

Negative market conditions also give companies like FB a better chance to buy up competition.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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post #14

My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Yeah, I may have to eat some crow from an argument the other day with another HN user. Surveys and #deleteFacebook and protests and so forth seemed to indicate that people did finally start getting interested in their own privacy. But no. Somehow, even with a declining youth demographic and widespread reports of less time spent on site and the CA fiasco, they still ended up with a growth of users in all markets. I've…

Blackberry saw growth years after the iPhone came out, and years after a decline in its North American market.

Global growth is not necessarily a sign of health for a company, in the long term.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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Which worker bees are paying 35-50%? You just about have to make a million dollars per year in the US - and be in California or NYC - to pay 50%. One million dollars in income gets you to about 47% in LA, SF, or NYC. A quarter of a million dollar income will get you up to 35% - and those are the most expensive tax locations in the country. $50,000 (the US median full-time income) gets you a combined effective rate, b…

> Which worker bees are paying 35-50%? Lots of people in Europe. Which for sure is also a big market for FB. In Germany you are already have deductions of nearly 50% if your income is around 50000€.

I do not see how a person making 50k € in Germany would have a gross/net difference of 50 %.

According to [1], the gross/net difference would be about 34 % in the worst case (highest tax class, no children, not married etc.), which includes social security, health insurance and so on. The calculator gives realistic results for my own income.

[1] https://www.brutto-netto-rechner.info/

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

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Why does Facebook spend money on employees then?

Presumably Facebook employees would work else where if they weren't paid.

My point was that what people aren't giving their info to Facebook for free, Facebook has to spend money on their employees to create something which people then want to use resulting in them getting information.

Re: Facebook Q1 2018 Earnings Slides [pdf]

#240
post #14

My main takeaway from this is that #deleteFacebook has been a flash in the pan-- their active user count is still increasing across all regions. Also to note, FB only pay effectively 11% tax on some 12 billion dollars worth of revenue.

Yeah, I may have to eat some crow from an argument the other day with another HN user. Surveys and #deleteFacebook and protests and so forth seemed to indicate that people did finally start getting interested in their own privacy. But no. Somehow, even with a declining youth demographic and widespread reports of less time spent on site and the CA fiasco, they still ended up with a growth of users in all markets. I've…

I wonder if people will just engage far less (or not at all anymore), which is less obvious on these graphs.

Say, if I check my FB twice a month to stay informed about events I might participate in, I'm still counted as a monthly active user, but I'm not active in a meaningful sense.

Similarly, many people might stop interacting with FB (which, if nothing else, takes time to register: at least a month).

Personally, I logged in for the last time in (I believe) 2012, but I won't delete my account just so my name stays "reserved".

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