I haven’t had any issues with the 2016 tb version. But then that’s only 1 data point! Actually it’s the best Mac I’ve owned by far. The keyboard has been a big improvement as has the trackpad, screen, speakers, build quality and switch to USB c, reduced weight and size, etc. I upgraded from the redesigned 2012 which had a lot of glitches. New designs always take a while to work out all of the glitches. But generally I don’t see a lot of threads on bad keyboards. So I suspect this is fairly isolated.
Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion
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#132Concur. I liked the new keyboard when it worked. But after two week-long service appointments to deal with dead keys, I've given up on it. Those laptops are defective. I'm using a 2015 15" for now.
Upon advice of my betters, in replacing my mid-2012 macbook pro (whose internals seem to have swelled up), i chose a new 2015 macbook pro, which is retina but old style keyboard.
I'll wait until they get this keyboard thing straightened out to get a newer one.
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#133My spacebar locked up on me briefly a week after purchase - calling it dust would be BS. Doesn't bode well for the future.
Thing is, this is actually dust. It's just a single speck of dust is enough to mess up these mechanisms because they're so delicate.
This would be less of an issue if you could pop the keys off, but again the mechanism is so delicate popping a key off is enough to irreparably destroy the mechanism in most cases.
Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion
#134Concur. I liked the new keyboard when it worked. But after two week-long service appointments to deal with dead keys, I've given up on it. Those laptops are defective. I'm using a 2015 15" for now.
Am convinced but cannot prove that the new keyboard is causing wrist/hand pain I thought I’d banished 20 years ago.
I do almost all of my keyboarding with kinesis. It cured severe finger pain a few years back. The only time I use the native keyboard for mac or anything else is if i am on the metra or library or customer visit.
I highly recommend it.
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#135Just an FYI, Apple still sells the older 2015 model: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-2015/
Just got one, 15". looks good so far.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thinkpads generally work out of the box without any tweaking. I'd suggest using a distro with a recent kernel and you shouldn't have any problems.
Why do you still recommend a Thinkpad? Thinkpad screen resolutions stink across the board. X-series RAM caps out at 16GB where my XPS15 gets 32. I understand TPs work well with Linux but it's 2018, a lot of things work pretty darn well with Linux.
Comparing the X1 carbon or other ultra-portables in the X series with an XPS15 isn't really fair - and the 16GB is a limitation of Intels mobile ('U' series) processors, hence the same issue with Apple.
A fairer comparison to the 15" machine would be either the T580 or P51 series which has a similar choice of up to 32GB RAM and up to even Xeon processors if that's your bag - perhaps not quite as sleek as the Dell, but then it is a Thinkpad.
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#137The Board Of Directors has structured Tim Cook's pay so his pay is dependent on shipping specific amounts of iPhones. This would be a good plan if the goal was to boost the stock price for the few years that iPhone seems innovative, compared to anything that Samsung can come up with. This strategy did work for several years, look at 2013 and 2014 and 2015 and 2016. But the same strategy amounts to a plan for allowing…
Why is this downvoted?
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#138MacBook Pro from late 2013 is just as difficult to repair, only cheaper because they don’t have touch bar. I can’t replace the keys at home (expensive parts, so many things can go wrong), so it’s waiting for pickup to go to a company to stay there. I’ll probably sell it and replace with another Lenovo, which is one of my machines since 2011 and it’s only two philips screws away to receive maintenance and upgrades.
> MacBook Pro from late 2013 is just as difficult to repair, only cheaper because they don’t have touch bar
Nope not true at all, the 2013 has a user serviceable keyboard, removing a keycap wont destroy the mechanism like it does on the USB-C MBP.
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#139Keyboard working here without issue. Noticed a couple issues earlier on, but discovered was from a couple crumbs. If there were a major issue affecting nearly everyone there would have been a recall or constantly news cycle about it. So I don't think the answer is for others to not buy a MBP because 'you' and some others are experiencing issues. Instead, I'd recommend you and others affected bring it into get fixed.…
> change the key styling and eventually will be touch only with haptic feedback
Seen a lot of Apply apologists super happy about this idea as a sell of "increased reliability because there are less moving parts" when the 2012 model keyboard had zero reliability problems from their moving parts it's only the "butterfly" switch that has reliability problems.
Boggles the mind...
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#140What is up with Apple lately. The Homepod is a total train wreck. No mic mute button. No input jack so can not use as a speaker. No stereo. Siri still terrible.