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Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by jeena »

jeena wrote: post #345
qume wrote: post #143

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Any chance you know of a good list of full uncrippled rss feeds?

I'm not quite sure what you mean, aren't list of things to read very personal and dependent on the taste and interests of the person? My website has full feed: https://jeena.net/all.atom and so have blogs like Kottke http://feeds.kottke.org/main Marco Arment https://marco.org/rss Scott Hanslemann http://feeds.hanselman.com/ScottHanselman and most of the personal blogs you can find out there. But as I said, I most pro…

But otherwise there are plugins like https://tt-rss.org/oldforum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1539 to replace the short content in a RSS feed with the full content from the Website.

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by hvidgaard »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #335
hvidgaard wrote: post #285

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They work in magazines and newspapers. An article delivered over RSS is basically the same as a magazine delivered in your mailbox. You may glance over it, but as long as it's delivered from the same servers as the actual content it's not blockable. I'm not saying it should be a flashing banner on top, but it be somewhat incorporated in a format and length such that people aren't too annoyed - probably in corporation…

They do NOT work in magazines and newspapers. That's why they are going out of business. And that's why all the larger media companies are coming online and ditching offline versions.

You're applying causation when there is no clear link. They are going out of business because they're being replaced by online entities. Before The Internet was a thing they worked just fine, again, as evident by the sheer amount of advertising in magazines back then.

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by dalbasal »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #334
dalbasal wrote: post #268

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I suppose we disagree on your last point, and that colours a lot of the rest. I don't think it all comes down to money. Some of it does. I certainly don't see a straight line from FB being an excellent way to sell ads and facebook being the most popular platform. FB won because FB was where people posted and read posts. No one even knew that facebook would be such a great ad platform at that point. I don't think user…

I don't think we disagree on any of the facts you suggested. Obviously you need to win the platform if you want to be successful. You're interpreting from business point of view and I'm interpreting from macro economical view. And in this view, every human activity revolves around money. If something is not economical, each economic actor will leave, and the technology will lose out. Of course, on a lower level there…

My point is about the economics, nit the business perspective. micro not macro.^

The most revenue generating social network does not win. Whoever wins wins. The value of what wins to advertisers determines how much winners win, but it does not determine winners.

Also, advertising revenue does almost nothing to fund content creation on these networks. The "supply side" economics of FB, YouTube & twitter is completely non-existant. The bar is essentially @ 0, so no matter what competes with them this can only get better.

The relevant point for this topic is that RSS' value or lack thereof to advertisers has almost no impact on its chances of success.

Podcasts, OTOH. These are an existence proof for (1) RSS being useful in the context and (2) decentralised distribution networks works reasonably well for content/media producers.

^macroecobomics is about the money system: inflation, money supply...

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by thirdsun »

frooxie wrote: post #320
thirdsun wrote: post #222

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I really don't understand those artists and writers you mention. Why on earth would they not use their own platform to present their content? This doesn't remove the ability to promote and share your content elsewhere. Content creators really can have it both ways. Publish on your own site and link to, share or duplicate that content on Facebook, Instagram, Medium, Twitter, RSS, Soundcloud and any other service that…

> Why on earth would they not use their own platform to present their content? I know one of them personally, and I think in her case, she may have had a few hundred people following her art blog, while on Instagram, she quickly amassed over 100,000 followers, so when she stopped updating the blog, she lost less than 1% of her fans. It comes down to people knowing how to follow Instagram/Facebook accounts, while they…

Of course I can imagine that Instagram, Facebook and Co. are more popular and accessible to her audience.

Again, I'm not recommending giving up those channels, but betting your content on a platform that will be gone/unpopular at some point (they all come and go) while abandoning the constant, central presence of your very own website, regardless of how small the following may be, seems short sighted. This has nothing to do with RSS.

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by tonyarkles »

JoshMnem wrote: post #187
na85 wrote: post #182

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>Instead of Mac, use GNU/Linux. Bought my first Macbook pro after being a linux/ThinkPad guy since 2008. I'm probably never going back to Linux on a laptop. I actually have working suspend and resume, plus it's Unix-like under the hood. Trackpad actually works without a bunch of ugly hacks since they deprecated synaptics drivers. no systemd, etc. I spend almost no time fiddling with my system nowadays. I want to use…

When was the last time you bought a ThinkPad? This is my third one and suspend works. The Trackpad is great, with three buttons. 24 Gb of RAM, 11+ hour battery life in Linux, and a 4-year at-home next-day repair plan. It was $1,900 including tax, shipping, and support. Macs are much more expensive for worse specs. This computer "just worked" out of the box, and there is full freedom to tinker with the system. I think…

I love my "couple year old" ThinkPad. Relating to suspend, the only problem I have is that there seems to be some kind of window. If I close the lid and then remove the power within a couple of seconds, suspend fails and the machine continues to run in my backpack. If I unplug the power first, then close the lid, it suspends properly.

I have a couple thoughts on how to debug it, but honestly... I haven't had the inclination to invest that much time in it, and the "unplug-then-close" habit has become so ingrained that I'm only burned by this about once every other month or so now.

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by mcovey »

remram wrote: post #171
originalsimba wrote: post #27

Did anyone else notice how corporations like Twitter and Facebook quietly tried to kill RSS in the past 10 years? RSS is a wonderful technology with embodies the spirit of the Internet. Facebook and Twitter are, by comparison, cancer. I often recommend WordPress to folks as an alternative for blogging, because it is free and has RSS functional out of the box.

Twitter used to have RSS versions of every profile, accessible through api.twitter.com without credentials. It was awesome. They retired it years ago... I took the time to make a proxy (Twitter API to RSS), and though I did write a few more, a lot more services still provide feeds (such as YouTube, Reddit, Steam, GitHub) than I thought they would. RSS is still going strong.

YouTube killed it's new subscription videos feed a few years ago, it's no longer possible to get a single combined feed of new videos from all channels you're subscribed to. The only alternative is to export the entire subscription list in OPML format (youtube at least provides this) and import them into a feed reader.

I stopped subscribing to channels on YouTube after this and only subscribe in my RSS reader, because it was too difficult to manage synchronizing subscriptions between the two.

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Post by sizzle »

bhnmmhmd wrote: post #315
raldu wrote: post #272

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Exactly! The social media platforms have effectively "devoured" and "engulfed" the very idea behind RSS in order to exploit the political economy of content publication, for monopoly. When Google Reader has been shut down in 2013, it had left millions of loyal fans behind who had loved and used the platform over the years. There had been a strong disappointment, especially in communities like Reddit, HN and Slashdot.…

Excuse me, but I need to put it out there: how exactly is RSS useful if the sources themselves (websites) are more and more biased? I believe nowadays, people are interested in "content", not in "source". As long as the content is valid and trustworthy, I don't care if it's on social media or an RSS feed. As a matter of fact, my problem with RSS is that I can't be sure the websites I'm receiving their notifs are goin…

What's never failed me is to remain sceptical of everything you read on the internet and verify sources.

Re: Now Is the Perfect Time for an RSS Renaissance

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Post by amygdyl »

dnzm wrote: post #223
Nadya wrote: post #188

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Sounds more like a newsletter to me. Let people subscribe to the newsletter, send out an email blast once a day/week/month.

But then by RSS, which makes it a web thing, which sure sounds like a blog.

I have in mind a very much more newsreader interface than anything web, but my idea was to publish styles once for each of my feeds, which would be very opt in only. I went so far as to develop a mark-up "header" that would have any problematic style niggles indicated by offsets, to avoid any inline tags. I very badly want my working output to be genuinely easily archived, searched and, internally discoverable.
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