In NYC, 2hr+ commutes from New Jersey that involve a car, a bus, and some trains are not uncommon.
90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
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Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a double standard though. I was at one of the big companies mentioned. I was the only one on my team in my office. Everyone else was remote in a time zone. My manager wasn't on site. But I couldn't work from home, and my desk space was reduced several times during my time there.
What was the difference (in policy or whatever) that allowed your colleagues to remote in but you not?
Maybe it was about their home not being a good environment to work (spouse running a daycare operation for kids, whatever), not about the company policy.
Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
#15390 minutes is common if you work in NYC and have a suburban home.
My commute ranges anywhere from 35 minutes to 90 minutes. It used to be pretty consistently under an hour to mostly anywhere in Manhattan south of Central Park, but the past few years have been pretty terrible (thanks MTA).
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#154Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.
Not everyone can work remote. In fact I'd wager a majority, including many of those who think they can work remote, cannot. And teams dealing with remote workers is also a source of friction. Remote work is only part of the solution. Urbanism, prioritizing transit & deprioritizing cars, increasing density are also parts
As many mentioned elsewhere, there's a halfway point that are remote offices - or coworking spaces or whatnot.
It is a source of friction, sure, but it also has a lot of positives.
I'm pretty sure there's an equilibrium point for on-site vs remote, but I also believe we're nowhere near that right now - and technology might keep bridging the gap to swing it even more towards the remote side.
Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
#155I recently had an opportunity to move out to the Bay Area with my current job (I am currently at a satellite office). The commute time combined with CoL and a few other factors made the decision easy to not go. I currently have a 3 minute commute and I would honestly lose my mind if I had to commute 90 mins one way. I have also been seeing a general rise of articles mentioning how many people are leaving, how insane…
>. I have also been seeing a general rise of articles mentioning how many people are leaving, how insane the commutes are becoming, and general unpleasantness of living there if you aren't in the top 10%. But if you are in the top 10%, life is amazing here. It's an absolute paradise. Every single time I'm sitting in traffic hating my life, I try to do a pro/con on getting the hell out of here. Every single time I jus…
LA has similar problems as well, so you're stuck either way. Price of paradise I suppose.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is such a tiresome argument. Even if you could suddenly build all of the housing required to reduce prices on a short timescale, you'd have to solve the infrastructural problems that come with it (roads and transit), and convince developers to build into a massive loss (i.e. I am a developer, and you expect me to build and finance at today's costs, and pay for it with tomorrow's lower rents). Construction is a s…
> Even if you could suddenly build all of the housing required to reduce prices on a short timescale, you'd have to solve the infrastructural problems that come with it The value of new multi-story units along good commute in the most expensive housing market in the world would be so high that some taxation of that profit would be more than enough to fund building the required commuter rail or subway lines and also n…
And that's why we can't have nice things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(197...
Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
#157I commute this in Austin daily, but it's a result of poor city planning.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a programmer. "Creating textual output" is only a small portion of what I do for a living. A huge amount of my job is discussing ideas with coworkers which is simply easier to do in person.
Is there any professional idea conveyance you can do in person that you can't do over a modest video conference connection?
Videoconferencing introduces friction in to the process. Those meetings must be planned and scheduled. There are no serendipitous hallway or kitchen conversations that flow easily when people are colocated
There is also the friction of the software itself. Whiteboarding and freewheeling discussion is possible but it doesn’t have the same feel to it
Re: 90-minute ‘super commutes’ more common as Bay Area housing shortage intensifies
#159Oh, tech companies. If only there were a way to have conversations about, create, and transmit computer programs using some kind of long-distance network. Maybe we could break the data up into "packets". Just thinking out loud here. Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. We can dream.
>Then maybe everyone creating textual output for a living wouldn't have to transport their physical body to an office. Remote work hasn't taken off on a large scale because massively successful multi-billion dollar companies like Google/Facebook/Amazon/Apple/SpaceX were not built with remote workers . You get (relatively) minor companies touting it such as Automattic and Basecamp. Those smaller businesses haven't ach…
> Remote work hasn't taken off on a large scale
Which is fortunate for any US or European citizen who hopes to ever find employment again.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very few places on the planet are as temperate and offer so many options to escape into nature as the Bay Area. I agree that something has to change, but trying to convince people that the only answer is to move away is a non-starter for the majority of the population, especially those who want to live here.
If they tried Colorado they’d change their mind quick. I always thought I’d end up in the valley, but after ten years here and seeing how bad the Bay Area has gotten, there isn’t enough money to convince me to make the switch.
True, Colorado has some gorgeous backdrops, but then again, you'd also have to be into 1/2 a year of intense snowy winters.