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Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by madengr »

dnomad wrote: post #128
mistermann wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Agreed, investing in China is the "invading Russia" of the tech world. I'd go even one step further, it is more like partnering with Germany, except in this version of the story Germany might be successful in its quest to take over the world, because make no mistake, China is coming for your market, it's only a matter of time. It is encouraging that more and more people are finally starting to put the pieces of thi…

The vast fear and ignorance in this thread is amusing but the comparison of China to Nazi Germany is perhaps a new low, even for Hacker News? It's interesting though how people develop such warped perceptions of the world. It's exactly how the greatest disaster of the 21st century, the absolutely unprovoked and absolutely senseless American invasion of Iraq which killed a million people and directly led to the rise o…

Islam led to the rise of ISIS. It’s not the USA fault the Middle East is incapable of democracy.

How many people were killed in the cultural revolution?

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by coupdejarnac »

rorykoehler wrote: post #139
coupdejarnac wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, make the poster say Deng Xiao Ping ordered the army to shoot the protestors at Tiananmen Square.

My point was when it comes to topics that matter there is little difference in the 2 powers.

Drawing this kind of lazy equivalence does not produce insight. The two powers have substantial differences that influence how you would deal with either.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by Presquare »

ng12 wrote: post #123
Presquare wrote: post #64

Very exciting news! I hope YC will help Chinese startups become global. My biggest problem with Silicon Valley is its ideological uniformity and the increasing willingness to use their companies/products as vehicles to push their ideologies. China would be in an excellent position to address the part of the Western market that is increasingly alienated by this push. They can build SV tech clones for the local market,…

I'm deeply confused what "ideological diversity" Chinese companies will offer. How much of the Western market is really pining for that autocratic, pro-censorship touch?

Sam Altman wrote in a blog post, "Earlier this year, I noticed something in China that really surprised me. I realized I felt more comfortable discussing controversial ideas in Beijing than in San Francisco. I didn’t feel completely comfortable—this was China, after all—just more comfortable than at home." [0]

This probably wasn't because China is inherently less censorious, but rather the set of controversial ideas in Beijing are different than the set of controversial ideas in San Francisco.

Thus Chinese companies can be biased in ways that are relevant to the Chinese market, but less likely to be biased in ways that are relevant to the Western market.

If SV companies are biased in a way that is relevant to the Western market, this can be an opportunity for the Chinese companies to provide a more neutral service.

[0] https://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

burger_moon wrote: post #133
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make no mistake. YC will slowly but surely come under pressure to give the CCP influence over content as well as access to private user data, first their own and then that they wield influence over. Don't forget the malware-ridden Chinese Skype client, LinkedIn's willingness to censor global content on China's behalf, or Yahoo's capitulation of dissident information that lead to executions. HN will likely start suppr…

I noticed that Airbnb operates in China currently. Perhaps there are other YC investments as well, but it seems this isn't the beginning of YC's investment into China. I had begun writing up a tin-foil hat theory on why YC would open this Startup School there, until I realized Airbnb, one of YC's flagship investments is already there.

I don't think they're sharing too much user data yet. E.g., a user's visits outside of China are likely still private for a while longer.

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Post by baybal2 »

dmoy wrote: post #120
baybal2 wrote: post #41

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>I must be missing something. YC is a really smart bunch of guys. Certainly they know what the hell they're getting into. It seems so very much. From my impression, SV people in China are not to run a new business, rather than to secure connections. See, they did not pair with a university with a genuine tech cred, nor they hold this school anywhere close to a tech hub, but in Beijing, and a university that is second…

Wait is the implication here that tsinghua uni has no tech cred? I agree that parts of tsinghua are pretty chummy with the party, but trying to claim it has no tech cred seems a bit of a stretch. It's arguably in like the top 10 eng/comp sci unis in the entire world. Both QS and ARWU put it in top 10. (THE puts it in top 20)

Tsinghua Uni is big in everything, not only tech as "the official no. 1 university in the country by decree" must be. Not to say that it is also freaking wealthy, as much alike Yale Uni is in USA (through Tsinghua University Group Holding.)

No denial from me that that they do pump out high profile publications in amount enough to bruteforce themselves into ratings.

Think of them as a Moscow State Uni back in USSR times.

The few universities Chinese tech scene gives cred, are virtually unknown in the West, you will not find them on any rating list, but that does not preclude their students be "booked" years in advance by the industry.

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Post by ng12 »

Presquare wrote: post #143
ng12 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm deeply confused what "ideological diversity" Chinese companies will offer. How much of the Western market is really pining for that autocratic, pro-censorship touch?

Sam Altman wrote in a blog post, "Earlier this year, I noticed something in China that really surprised me. I realized I felt more comfortable discussing controversial ideas in Beijing than in San Francisco. I didn’t feel completely comfortable—this was China, after all—just more comfortable than at home." [0] This probably wasn't because China is inherently less censorious, but rather the set of controversial ideas…

Do you have to go all the way to Beijing for that? I feel like the root is more Silicon Valley monoculture than East vs. West.

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Post by dang »

auganov wrote: post #74

To people debating whether China are the good guys or not - hundreds of thousands Falun Dafa practicioners are locked up in Chinese concentration camps. Thousands have died of torture. Many more are suffering it everyday. China is ruled by a cruel evil regime. No question about it. You won't hear people involved with China talk about it. You won't be allowed into China if you do.

Please don't take HN threads into national/political flamewar. Regardless of how correct your atrocity assessments are, this is off topic and violates the site guidelines.

Others have been violating the guidelines in this thread too, but at least the other subthreads haven't gone completely out to the generic political sea.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by sandslash »

ajeet_dhaliwal wrote: post #8
middle1 wrote: post #4

When will original online Startup School start this year? Who knows?

Are you talking about this? https://www.startupschool.org/ I don't understand if this is something online or not, it mentions attending group office hours.

It's all completely virtual. All "attendance" in the course is done online, including group office hours.
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