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Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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I have my MacBook Pro on a stand then use a bluetooth keyboard and external monitor. Rarely do I use the actual keyboard. If Apple created something similar to a Mac mini with a laptop battery I would buy it immediately. I know it wouldn't work for everyone, but it would suit my needs.

Why would it need a battery?

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#52
Was given one of these at work, the keyboard started failing within a week of taking it out of the box, some of my keys click much louder than others. My - key has been stuck twice while editing this comment, my ISO enter key has a dead zone and has failed to click once while typing this comment.

This machine isn't even 6 months old and it feels rickety and unreliable because of this design disaster of a keyboard, I wish I was over-reacting.

I will not be buying another Apple machine until this keyboard is reverted, I can't imagine dropping thousands of my own money and having such an unreliable janky input device.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#53
I'm not a huge fan of the keyboard on my late 2016 MBP 15" myself (I would prefer the previous version, the buttons don't have the nice "clicky" sound anymore) but it has been rock solid ever since I got the laptop (November 2016) and has been in constant use since then (8+ hours every day).

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

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post #22

Louis Rossmann has examined these issues in detail on his electronics repair YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KuVvb9DTaU (I disagree with the level of his vitriol against Apple, but I appreciate his deep teardowns and clear explanations. He just doesn't seem to understand how valuable the Apple software is vs. Windows to those who need or appreciate osx.)

You can't use Apple's great software if the hardware keeps crapping out and costing $X00 to fix.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#55
It's just incomprehensible (and an unfortunate indictment of Jony Ive's design leadership) that the 2016 MacBook Pro has continued to prove such a regression from the 2012 design.

Professionals demand good design: tools that meet our needs in efficient, reliable, and even elegant ways. Apple's line of professional laptops has traditionally delivered this by and large, but the problem with the 2016 platform is that vanity finally overtook good design.

Good design weighs the trade-offs inherent in any design decision and decides based on the greatest benefit to the user. Vanity design decides based on the greatest benefit to the designer. And based on the dongles I've seen co-workers cart all over the office because Apple abandoned HDMI, based on the keyboard reliability issues that have affected the same co-workers, and based on the dearth of compelling Touch Bar applications that have sprung up in the past year and a half, I don't think there's any question that vanity has taken over.

Honestly, I think it's time for Ive to take more of an advisory role at Apple and let some of the many talented industrial designers in his org take Apple's hardware design back to fundamentals.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#56

Posting this from my six month old Macbook Pro 15" on which the spacebar has just started doing double spaces. Going to try and clean it with compressed air, but even if that works, it's unacceptable in my opinion that such a key piece of hardware on such an expensive machine should be so fragile. The fact that at some point I'll have to take it back to Apple and probably be without it for several days due to the com…

It's unlikely to take days. A few months ago they replaced a broken key cap for me in about 20 minutes.

Mine took a few days FWIW.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#57

Posting this from my six month old Macbook Pro 15" on which the spacebar has just started doing double spaces. Going to try and clean it with compressed air, but even if that works, it's unacceptable in my opinion that such a key piece of hardware on such an expensive machine should be so fragile. The fact that at some point I'll have to take it back to Apple and probably be without it for several days due to the com…

I had a key stick within two weeks. They had to completely replace the keyboard, it took over a week (IIRC). Fairly silly for a single key to cause such a massive repair.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#58

The last great Macbook Pro was: > MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015) The new models are subpar in build quality imho and the touch bar is completely useless tech.

I have a slightly earlier MBP and I'll keep it till it dies. I have some neuropathy in my fingers, a souvenir of neck surgery, and I mostly type on mechanical keyboards (all hail Cherry MX Blue!). I have tried the new MBPs in the Apple store and I simply cannot use them. There is too little feedback for my damaged hands. I'm sad that my current MBP is probably my last Apple notebook. Their current obsession with thinness is ruining their hardware.

Re: Don’t buy the MacBook Pros even on sale, in my opinion

#60
The technological anorexia plaguing Apple is progressing. Disorientation, lethargy, inability to complete simple tasks such as arithmetic, and fragility are all pathological symptoms. Apple employee injuries sustained by walking into walls, slowdowns caused by lack of energy reserves, irreversible damage inflicted by the lightest touch, degradation of capabilities once taken for granted, such as rapidly adding 1+1+1+1, coupled with staunch denials that any problem exists - these are not just warning signs. They are symptoms immediately recognizable to any trained practitioner denoting the sorry fact that, without intervention, Apple will not be getting better. No recovery may be reasonably expected.
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