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Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by donttrack »

varjag wrote: post #15
zfdrdg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what the parent comment meant but maybe because software jobs will start to move to lower earning locations. I've been wondering about this. Manufacturing has largely moved off shore over the last 40 years but software seems much easier to move. Could the whole industry disappear from the first world at a much faster rate?

We keep hearing this since late 1990s, when all programming was supposed to move to India. Not much change 20 years after.

When the engineers start earning more in tech oriented cities like Shenbu or Bongai where ever, the shops and landlord charging more, houses become more expensive, living costs rise, which makes engineers start demanding higher salaries, which then starts a feedback loop of rising prices. It's almost like people in developing countries are real people with similar behavioral patterns like people in the west..

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by donttrack »

philliphaydon wrote: post #19
donttrack wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think an engineer in China is cheaper than in Europe. Thats not my experience.. At least in the big cities, they cost more or less the same as in Europe.

A Friend of mine owns a business and hired a guy in China full time. Works out to be ~40k usd/yr. His work is really good. If you’re going via a business to get outsourced work you’re just getting ripped off imo.

Depends on the work you want done.

Sure, I can get a student to throw together a React frontend here also for very little money. If I want highly specialized knowledge about camera drivers, network protocols or low level programming, the story is different.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by [deleted] »

molteanu wrote: post #18
baybal2 wrote: post #9

Out of all places? Why??? And... >Saturday, May 19, 2018 (5 月19 日，周六) >Tsinghua University （清华大学) Beijing, China （中国北京) This is just... they could've just went for the central committee party school if they wanted to get high profile handshakes that much

>Out of all places? Why??? "Since China is the fastest growing tech ecosystem in the world and a massive center of new innovations - we want to meet more founders from China!"

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Re: Startup School Beijing

#24

Post by SuperNinKenDo »

I'm disappointed to know that YC has drank the cool-aid on China. Once you invest significantly in China, you quickly find yourselves beholden to the whims of the CCP. And for what? Such privileges as building their dystopian techno-autocracy for them? I don't see any signs in this statement that you are going into this with your eyes open to either the difficulties this will cause down the line, nor the morally "questionable" things you will all be a part of building now. Of course, none of that will be in there, because you all already know that to say anything untoward on the matter would break the ice right out from under your feet.

And of course, that's all if you're actually "successful", unlikely given the CCP will prefer something more malleable than even the likes of Zuckerberg are willing to be. I foresee a rapid demise to this project, indeed, I pray for it, as the alternative, you guys actually succeeding, would be painful to watch given what it will involve.

Re: Startup School Beijing

#25

Post by amvalo »

donttrack wrote: post #21
varjag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We keep hearing this since late 1990s, when all programming was supposed to move to India. Not much change 20 years after.

When the engineers start earning more in tech oriented cities like Shenbu or Bongai where ever, the shops and landlord charging more, houses become more expensive, living costs rise, which makes engineers start demanding higher salaries, which then starts a feedback loop of rising prices. It's almost like people in developing countries are real people with similar behavioral patterns like people in the west..

"Feedback loop?" Where did you learn economics?

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by hutzlibu »

donttrack wrote: post #21
varjag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We keep hearing this since late 1990s, when all programming was supposed to move to India. Not much change 20 years after.

When the engineers start earning more in tech oriented cities like Shenbu or Bongai where ever, the shops and landlord charging more, houses become more expensive, living costs rise, which makes engineers start demanding higher salaries, which then starts a feedback loop of rising prices. It's almost like people in developing countries are real people with similar behavioral patterns like people in the west..

"It's almost like people in developing countries are real people with similar behavioral patterns like people in the west.."

Really? .. I thought they are supposed to do the work for us, yet allways stay below our level, because thats the way things are supposed to be.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by erikb »

This will fail so much. If you ever had anything to do with China you know there's no path in. Especially under Xi.

Even in the old lang sine, when China was (more) open to the West it was still hard. Think about getting serious stuff stolen, threatened by people with sticks etc. Then you sue someone and the judge simply decides in favor of the Chinese party, no matter what they did.

The only option I can see is if you have privately loads of money and then marry a strong business family in China. Then through your Chinese wife you can achieve something.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by donttrack »

amvalo wrote: post #25
donttrack wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the engineers start earning more in tech oriented cities like Shenbu or Bongai where ever, the shops and landlord charging more, houses become more expensive, living costs rise, which makes engineers start demanding higher salaries, which then starts a feedback loop of rising prices. It's almost like people in developing countries are real people with similar behavioral patterns like people in the west..

"Feedback loop?" Where did you learn economics?

I didnt....

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by forkerenok »

erikb wrote: post #28

This will fail so much. If you ever had anything to do with China you know there's no path in. Especially under Xi. Even in the old lang sine, when China was (more) open to the West it was still hard. Think about getting serious stuff stolen, threatened by people with sticks etc. Then you sue someone and the judge simply decides in favor of the Chinese party, no matter what they did. The only option I can see is if y…

I would assume YC has plenty of "wives" and "husbands" (read network connections) in China to vouch for them in front of CCP leaders.

Edit: Besides, regardless of connections, I think, the deal where YC provides easy U.S. market entry for Chinese startups for a share in the company is pretty attractive to both sides.

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