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Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#151

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Indeed, I'm immensely curious about the OS (I'm an unabashed OS junkie) and if it's not Android based I want one just to dig into that part of it. Beyond that, the display and the GUI are absolutely gorgeous. I was always a fan of Microsoft's flat design for Windows Phone, and this takes it to another level of minimalism. I'm drooling over here. Edit: I see below that it's Android based after all. I still love the wa…

We had to im sorry. Its quite unrealistic for a startup to write its own OS from scratch. And there's the app topic that everyone else failed at. We always had a vision to do an open web-based (Chromium like) os when it becomes realistic.

That's basically webOS.

If you get webOS working on your hardware, you will have a small pile of very staunch supporters.

A couple of realistic caveats, and novel ideas to solve them:

1. webOS is not Android.

Android will eventually mean Fuschia, which will mean bye bye to Linux driver blobs. I'm not sure how the scene looks right now in terms of trying to squash an Android kernel and blobs together with webOS userspace. Might work, might produce rueful laughter.

One interesting thing you could do is lead a community effort to get webOS running on top of Fuschia, which is still very new but functions well enough to fully come up graphically and boot into a Chromium-based session (yep!).

To me, that suggests enough of the Fuschia core is "set" and unlikely to change that RIGHT NOW is the perfect time to quietly catch up to feature parity with alternative userspaces, and when Android does "the big switchover" (it's obvious that's the goal, Fuschia has things like 120fps update targets etc), you'll suddenly have more hardware support than any other platform.

2. webOS has no real apps.

No point denying this is true. Facebook isn't releasing a webOS app. That cements a lot of things. There's also the fact that LG bought webOS for TVs. That did nothing to kill it on phones, but the move certainly did shift all of the tech-prosumer expectancy/focus over to the TV space and leave the webOS-on-phones/tablets sector full of tumbleweeds. And nothing's really changing that.

The webOS-on-Fuschia idea would be unlikely to trigger wholesale adoption of the platform. Not going to do it.

I see a couple of alternatives:

0. You kind of get dual-boot for free anyway

1. Implement hardware-accelerated KVM for ARM on Fuschia, and run Android in a VM

2. Implement kernel-level containerization/virtualization aka what's described under "Virtualization" in http://kernelthread.com/projects/

3. Figure out how Fuschia works at the kernel level and work out how to run the webOS and Android userspaces side by side, either running simultaneously or stopping one to launch the other

(I don't typically start lists at 0, but that first point felt so obvious I used a 0 so I could include it in the list.)

You get 0 for free, and dual booting will appeal to some who want the closure of "Android is simply not running".

1 is... I included that one for comparison :)

2 and 3 seem interesting. I'd tackle these by seeing how the Fuschia team react to being engaged "from the outside". You could lead that effort; I don't think anything is being done in that regard at this point (eg unlike how Chromium does get lots of external contributions from individuals).

Well, that's my 2c anyway.

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#152

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What website? I only saw a white page. (I have Javascript disabled)

Looks like you are getting downvoted. I upvoted you, so I'll leave this here because is relevant: https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/progressive-enhancement Come on, the website is only text, images, and a few forms, why would you render it in JavaScript. I don't see any additional benefit compared with plain HTML, CSS. It is not a rich web application, even if it were. Also, there's been server-side rendering for a whi…

The payment form near the bottom is a stripe form. I’d assume it requires js.

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#153

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Consider using LineageOS instead. There's nothing 'minimalist' about the crap that Google 'requires'.

How does using Lineage solve this problem? It's the same OS, and 99% of people that install Lineage install the GApps otherwise the device is barely usable.

well, if you're a die-hard idealist, you could always use microG [0]

if you're not, you can still use Gapps nano or pico. thats basically just the play store and the service api.

[0] https://microg.org [1] http://opengapps.org

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#154
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So, I'll give some unsolicited recommendations for your website, regarding accessibility: - The contrast between the body text and background is to low; it makes it difficult for people with visual impairments to use the website. - Font size and font weight, the font is too thin and adding this to the low color contrast, it makes it even more difficult to read. - Images that don't add meaning (textually) to the page,…

thx for taking the time, will consider the feedback in our re-launch (we were working already on making our pos better) this thread took us by surprise while reworking it

The previous comments mentioned poor contrast and small text for visually impaired. I have great eyesight and I had a hard time reading your site. I had to literally select text in some areas to even be able to read it at all, combined with zooming in. (I have a 27" monitor!)

That being said, I really hope you succeed, I really want a repairable long term phone in the future. Not sure about what B&W adds to this, but it you offer a chopped down cheaper version (along side your flagship phone), it's far less of a risk to give it a try.

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#155

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thx for taking the time, will consider the feedback in our re-launch (we were working already on making our pos better) this thread took us by surprise while reworking it

Some even blunter unsolicited feedback: test your website with about:config javascript.enabled = false. thinkxl has the right idea here. Edit: also, I just realized I'm agreeing with a social justice warrior about something; I'm not sure whether to feel disgust or vindication; I'll probably go with novelty.

> I just realized I’m agreeing with a social justice warrior about something

Why are you accusing thinkxl of being a “social justice warrior” and why, exactly do you feel that that undermines your agreement? Is website usability a liberal ideology? Lacking any actual justification your edit feels very out of place on hn.

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#156

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Looks like you are getting downvoted. I upvoted you, so I'll leave this here because is relevant: https://sonniesedge.co.uk/posts/progressive-enhancement Come on, the website is only text, images, and a few forms, why would you render it in JavaScript. I don't see any additional benefit compared with plain HTML, CSS. It is not a rich web application, even if it were. Also, there's been server-side rendering for a whi…

The payment form near the bottom is a stripe form. I’d assume it requires js.

So, in that case we should be seeing everything but the stripe form! Its not really fair to blame them to make a non js website though. They might not have put time into it

Re: Blloc – minimalist smartphone

#159
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Trying to do hardware and software simultaneously from the start is going to kill this project. Pick one and get it right; let the lessons from that inform the next phase. It looks like you're building a pretty generic device with an interesting software stack, so I'd start by making the software shine, and leveraging e.g. LineageOS to get an install base. Once you have feedback from a good swath real users you can l…

well put advice. However countless projects started the software route and never managed to go beyond step 1. We're focusing on HW atm, offering a great price point, great experience, insurance and using as much off the shelve software as possible. Offering a complete working package that just works right now. And installing the software one by one

> offering a great price point

For the listed specs, €359 is not a great price point.

As an example, Xiaomi Mi A1 has similar specs and goes for ~ €150.

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