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TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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It's just stunning how they have been able to achieve 7nm features. With a 193nm wavelength laser no less.

It’s not 7nm in any feature size it’s seceral times that.

It’s achievable usually with multiple patterning and submersion 193nm wavelength in vacuum which goes to about 145 in water and they likely are using something other than water and you also have temperature which affects the refractive index.

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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It's just stunning how they have been able to achieve 7nm features. With a 193nm wavelength laser no less.

Yeah, you should take the fact they're not using EUV as the tremendous boulder of salt that it is: these are actually 10nm parts. Node names continue to be washed into Megahertz War-style naming schemes.

TSMC's process lines up pretty well with Intel's published numbers for their P1274 10nm process (Contacted Gate Pitch T & I: 54 nm, Minimum Metal Pitch T: 40nm I: 36 nm, High-Density SRAM bitcell size T: 0.027 µm^2 I: 0.0312 µm^2, etc).

What we've learned out of all of this is that Intel's struggles to push tooling towards EUV have benefited the industry at wide, as everyone's spent so much effort there that existing processes and tooling has become cheaper and faster to iterate. They've certainly fallen behind their all-time lead of almost two process generations, but they still appear to be about a generation (18-ish months) ahead of TSMC by published numbers.

But, who actually cares about the numbers, Marketing says 7nm so it's 7nm.

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any feature of the transistors taht are 7nm wide, the smallest feature IIRC is the interconnect, which is about 30n-40nm. "7nm" is marketing wankery. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process

Well that's annoying. How is anyone supposed to judge anything if they just make numbers up?

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Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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It's just stunning how they have been able to achieve 7nm features. With a 193nm wavelength laser no less.

7nm is really just a node name. Gate length is probably about 20nm. Still very impressive though!

The gate pitch is 54mm for TSMC and 56nm for Global Foundries @ 7nm.

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any feature of the transistors taht are 7nm wide, the smallest feature IIRC is the interconnect, which is about 30n-40nm. "7nm" is marketing wankery. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process

Well that's annoying. How is anyone supposed to judge anything if they just make numbers up?

Smallest feature size no longer correlates with transistor density in recent years. So manufacturers just use the number to convey increases in transistor density.

See https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node#History

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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I have a question - why does the fab machine lithographic printing etch out a half a chip on the edge of the wafer like in the article picture. I presume the wafers are a standard 300mm size, so is it just because the designers were too lazy to remove the half chips on the edges from their mask template designs ?

It makes it so all of the chips they will use have all of their neighbors, so the process (and thus electrical properties) will be more uniform between chips near the edge and chips near the center.

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

7nm is really just a node name. Gate length is probably about 20nm. Still very impressive though!

The gate pitch is 54mm for TSMC and 56nm for Global Foundries @ 7nm.

> 54mm

Typo for nm, presumably :-).

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any feature of the transistors taht are 7nm wide, the smallest feature IIRC is the interconnect, which is about 30n-40nm. "7nm" is marketing wankery. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process

Well that's annoying. How is anyone supposed to judge anything if they just make numbers up?

I think bits of SRAM per unit of area is a benchmark that some people use, as it corresponds to something that's meaningful and measurable.

Re: TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips

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It's just stunning how they have been able to achieve 7nm features. With a 193nm wavelength laser no less.

Yeah, you should take the fact they're not using EUV as the tremendous boulder of salt that it is: these are actually 10nm parts. Node names continue to be washed into Megahertz War-style naming schemes. TSMC's process lines up pretty well with Intel's published numbers for their P1274 10nm process (Contacted Gate Pitch T & I: 54 nm, Minimum Metal Pitch T: 40nm I: 36 nm, High-Density SRAM bitcell size T: 0.027 µm^2 I…

There's a big difference when you compare making 7nm features with about 100 process steps whereas EUV are doing it in like 4 steps.
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