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Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project

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Post by alistproducer2 » Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 1:52 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #119

yardie wrote: post #105

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> In Florida, the Seminole tribes distribute thousands of dollars/month, to each of their members just for being alive. Many of them end up having chronic issues with drug and alcohol abuse. Okay I was with you for a little bit but this part of your comment is completely off the mark. The casinos are built on tribal land. And in many cases owned by the tribe. For all intents and purposes the tribe is a corporation. M…

IMHO this is more correct than you give it credit for. Humans need to feel a sense of accomplishment to maintain their mental health over the long term. Just giving them money to survive without giving them something to do leads to high rates of depression and self destructive behavior. A good percentage of the population is not self starters, they'll sit on their ass all day long if nobody forces them to get up. IMH…

I will concur with this based on my own anecdotal evidence. I know someone who has a good paying job that gives them nothing to do and they have struggled with depression ever since taking the position.

Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project

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Post by douglaswlance » Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

matte_black wrote: post #61

Instead of giving out money, why not give out the basic necessities directly? A free home, free utilities, free food, a basic vehicle, free clothes, free healthcare? If you’re happy with these things you’re set, if you want more you work for it and acquire money. Seems like this would accomplish the same goals of UBI, but with less risks and impact on the economy, and at some point you can benefit from economies of s…

We could give out a token that would be accepted by certain government entities.

Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project

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Post by briansbum » Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 2:07 PM UTC

alistproducer2 wrote: post #171

jandrese wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO this is more correct than you give it credit for. Humans need to feel a sense of accomplishment to maintain their mental health over the long term. Just giving them money to survive without giving them something to do leads to high rates of depression and self destructive behavior. A good percentage of the population is not self starters, they'll sit on their ass all day long if nobody forces them to get up. IMH…

I will concur with this based on my own anecdotal evidence. I know someone who has a good paying job that gives them nothing to do and they have struggled with depression ever since taking the position.

There is a key difference here between your friend's job and UBI. If your friend instead of having their job got UBI they would still be able to go and find fullfilment in the workforce and bolster what they recieve from UBI with a salary.

In the scenario you mentioned they are probably locked in by way of a contract from being able to find fillfilment unless they do it in their, probably small, amount of personal time.