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Re: Tech company career ladders

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Sucks for your situation. One question though (I'm sure you've heard before)... > For her to move to the UK requires her to meet income requirements of £18,600 per year What about if you got married?

Marriage doesn't help! "Partnership" is recognised by immigration, and that requires living together, sharing the same address and bank account for a year. This is because of a cultural shift in the meaning of marriage. It used to be one man and one woman, for life. Divorce, polygamy, homosexuality, and marriages of convenience changed that definition. I'm not trying to get distracted about whether those groups of pe…

> As soon as I get married, I'm going to have sex!

Wait, you didn't yet ?

Re: Tech company career ladders

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> Some companies will dangle money at you as an alternative to going on the PIP. Can someone tell me a little about this? Is this a situation where a company pays you to quit without firing you?

It's called a severance package. The company isn't giving you money to quit - you're working at-will and they can terminate your employment at any time for any reason. The amount is usually equivalent to a few months worth of paychecks. What they pay you for is you signing away your ability to sue for wrongful termination. Because they can't really fire you for any reason.

It's also because companies want the managers and co-workers to know the company did right by the terminated employee. Laying someone off isn't fun. Seeing your co-workers get laid off isn't fun either. Severance keeps the process more humane.

Re: Tech company career ladders

#113

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In my view a PIP is all (and only) about management expectations. A person that is being railroaded by incompetent management can outlast them by staying positive.

The parent comment is removed, but on the thought of a personal improvement plan (pip), they are often paperwork to protect the company when they terminate you. This is not always the case, and if you can turn it around, that is fantastic. It really helps to have a manager who can help guide you. A coworker of mine was place on a PIP and, honestly, was expected to be managed out by just about everyone. However! He ro…

Similar story here. Most PIPs do end in termination or voluntary resignation, but I have seen some engineers completely turn around and blossom under the focus and structure (and frankly, scrutiny) that a PIP provides.

Sometimes people just don't know how to work or how to accomplish what's expected of them and outward observation of lack of productivity can miss the underlying cause that might be correctable.

(It's still the least common outcome, of course, but it's not as rare as I first assumed.)

Re: Tech company career ladders

#114

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Marriage doesn't help! "Partnership" is recognised by immigration, and that requires living together, sharing the same address and bank account for a year. This is because of a cultural shift in the meaning of marriage. It used to be one man and one woman, for life. Divorce, polygamy, homosexuality, and marriages of convenience changed that definition. I'm not trying to get distracted about whether those groups of pe…

> As soon as I get married, I'm going to have sex! Wait, you didn't yet ?

(Not the OP) Is that so surprising? My wife and I waited until marriage.

Re: Tech company career ladders

#115
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Does anyone else feel really put off on the idea of working at a big tech corporation by articles like this? If I wanted to play the career game, I would have studyied something more business related and got a graduate job at somewhere like KPMG.

Because working as an SWE in bigtech can pay 2-3x as much? Including signing a FB new grad can make up to ~$225k in their first year. There aren’t many industries where this is possible with a bachelors or less.

Also, most SWE in big tech aren't working crazy hours like investment banking.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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What I also seen is people become victim of your their own success. If you over-achieve in one appraisal cycle it is very bad for you because you have increased your base-level of performance. It is like over-achieving sales target. I have learned the hard way that one needs to spread out the achievements. For example if you have good number of ideas then don't spew out all of them in one go. Introduce them say in ea…

That’s not really how this works. Right after a promo you’re not due for another promo. They are dividing a fixed size promo budget pie. So they rank you lower in order to be able to rank someone else higher. There’s no other reason, because it’s impossible to accurately measure engineer’s “performance”, or to even define it in the first place. At Microsoft, for example, in the olden days at least, managers would kee…

> managers would keep around a certain percentage of deadwood on the team to give their best people good ratings and meet their firing quota if the need arises.

Tragic consequences of stupid rules, I'm baffled.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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> conversations with me are always like chewing sandpaper, unless they focus on some very narrow interests of mine. Basically, that's the problem. In order to establish a repertoire, you need to have more than dense interests. It's cool to be passionate about one or two hobbies. Lots of people have none, and this makes conversation dull. However, it is vital you can maintain ordinary conversation on lay topics too --…

I think the problem is that most casual conversation just isn't relevant. If we're having a conversation to have a conversation, what's the point? I happen across a lot of conversations where people are just blabbing at each other, but don't actually listen to what the other is saying (or are clearly not interested in what each is saying), but still continue to have a conversation. I don't get that...

a lot of time it is to signal interest and create so called social lubricant. It is not about the content of the conversation, but more about having a conversation with someone from the group.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Sorry I don't buy this. You make this sound as if you were stateless which of course is not the case or you wouldn't be able to be in Taiwan either unless you sneaked into there and are in fact working illegally.

I'm not stateless. I have a work visa. The article explains the pressure of living on a work visa (shut up, get in line, or lose your job, visa, and country). Taiwan is not "home" because I can't start a family here. Even if I didn't care about children's military service, I can't get a Taiwanese passport without renouncing my previous citizenship and going to military service myself. Taiwanese PR doesn't give childr…

As a British citizen, you can already have permanent residence there. Bringing a partner over has no income requirements, either proof of being together >2 years or marriage (anywhere, marriage is usually valid across countries) [1], I’ve seen hundreds of people bring their partners over to Europe. Your children will be born in the UK and have full citizenship.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/partner-spouse

Re: Tech company career ladders

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>> and I really hope some company will notice my plight Do you have a website? Is your story documented anywhere? It's really powerful.

It is? He’s spent the last three years working in tech in a first-world country while waiting for a chance to work in tech in another first-world country, where he’ll have to not-get-deported for two whole years before he can really settle down. Maybe I’ve grown cold-hearted over the years, but “emigrating to a desirable nation for a desirable job takes several years, during which I’m stuck in another developed, desi…

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Re: Tech company career ladders

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Even if the people are great, small (5-20 employee) companies often simply don't have scope for much career progression. You might have one layer of management between yourself and the company owner, so unless they start hiring or you plan on taking over the company, you can only be promoted once.

Yeah except your promotion isn't usually a level, it's lead, manager, director, or chief. You leverage that and walk to a slightly larger company in that new role after a couple of years. Then rinse & repeat once or twice and you just shaved off years of slogging through the FAANGs. After all of the above though, I would put 2-3 years in at a FAANG and then do whatever the heck I want.

I'm moving into year twenty of my career. I've done fairly long tenures at startups, culminating in a VP of Engineering role and subsequent acquisition by a Fortune 500 company. I'm now in the "big company" phase with a goal to bank $$$ via RSUs and then have a chance to go back to startups as a Founder/Co-Founder/CTO
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