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Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by dolguldur »

kibibyte wrote: post #63
busterarm wrote: post #60

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Yeah except your promotion isn't usually a level, it's lead, manager, director, or chief. You leverage that and walk to a slightly larger company in that new role after a couple of years. Then rinse & repeat once or twice and you just shaved off years of slogging through the FAANGs. After all of the above though, I would put 2-3 years in at a FAANG and then do whatever the heck I want.

FAANG == Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google (First time I heard of it; had to look it up)

AGAMF - Let's keep it dynamic and take the top 5 tech companies sorted by market cap.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by cletus »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #52
fjsolwmv wrote: post #38

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You don't have a country to call home?

"Home" is a place I can settle, start a family, go back to and live in. I grew up near Geneva. My parents bought a house in France because it was cheaper. My dad crossed the border every day to work at CERN and take me to international school. I can't be Swiss, because my parents weren't resident. I can't be French, because I wasn't born there. The nearest French hospital is 2 hours away through the mountains and CER…

Sorry but I don’t understand the problem: you have British citizenship. You can reside and work anywhere in the EU. That puts you in a fairly enviable position. If you marry your wife is entitled to permanent residency (I think it’s called permanent leave to remain), which is a lot easier to get than say any US equivalent. British permanent residency is (for now) EU residency.

It’s also not quite true that your children would be stateless. This vastly depends in where they’re born. Also there are provisions for this in UK law. Lastly grandchildren of UK born citizens (which it sounds like they would be) are entitled to an ancestry visa. This gives 4 years to live and work in the UK without restriction. If they’re still there after 4 years they then get permanent residency and are entitled to apply for citizenship a year after that.

EDIT: so it’s been some years since I lived in the UK and the rules have gotten much harsher on spouse visas, namely there is an income requirement for the Briton (£18,600pa) and the spouse visa is for 30 months renewable for another 30 months so now it takes 5 years to get ILR (indefinite leave to remain). It used to be 2.

Still, it’s an option. As are other EU countries. Ireland, Sweden and even the Netherlands look like decent options. Maybe Austria too.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by infinite8s »

ubernostrum wrote: post #61
tejasmanohar wrote: post #24

Within a job ladder, you then have levels. They tend to map onto years of experience, *whether you have a degree or not*, what kind of degree it is, how well you do in your interviews, how much money you ask for or hint about, and possibly how well you did as an intern. I don't work at a big corp. Has anyone seen career growth stall directly because they lack a (bachelor's) degree (in CS)? This article doesn't direct…

I have a friend who has dealt with this multiple times. She left high school early to go straight into college, so officially she never graduated from high school. That's an automatic rejection from many companies, even for "white collar" positions. It doesn't matter that she's studied at some prestigious places, has a post-graduate degree, etc., because there's an unchangeable, un-bypass-able filter at the start of…

Can't she fix that by getting her GED?

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Post by digianarchist »

newfoundglory wrote: post #80
peterburkimsher wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Home" is a place I can settle, start a family, go back to and live in. I grew up near Geneva. My parents bought a house in France because it was cheaper. My dad crossed the border every day to work at CERN and take me to international school. I can't be Swiss, because my parents weren't resident. I can't be French, because I wasn't born there. The nearest French hospital is 2 hours away through the mountains and CER…

You're a British citizen, you can move to any country in the EU. If you marry your girlfriend, she can move with you, and other countries in the EU will not require her to show income to move with you. You could be there in a few months, without waiting for companies to notice you. Source: am British citizen by descent, have lived in France. Edit: and then to move to Britain from an EU country she doesn't need to sho…

You can always use the Surinder Singh route to bypass the income requirements of moving your spouse to the UK. It’s a pain and the Home Office will fight you tooth and nail but it’s legal.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by ryanobjc »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #79
north_east_dev wrote: post #75

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Sucks for your situation. One question though (I'm sure you've heard before)... > For her to move to the UK requires her to meet income requirements of £18,600 per year What about if you got married?

Marriage doesn't help! "Partnership" is recognised by immigration, and that requires living together, sharing the same address and bank account for a year. This is because of a cultural shift in the meaning of marriage. It used to be one man and one woman, for life. Divorce, polygamy, homosexuality, and marriages of convenience changed that definition. I'm not trying to get distracted about whether those groups of pe…

I’m not sure why you threw in a dig at homosexuals in your little immigration rant. That’s probably why you’re getting downvotes here. Plus it erases a lot of goodwill you might be building up.

Also btw, there is no modern state that recognizes polygamy, especially for immigration purposes!

Ps: marriages of convenience are ... classic marriages. That is what marriage used to be. A business or political arrangement. For convenience.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by digianarchist »

cletus wrote: post #93
peterburkimsher wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Home" is a place I can settle, start a family, go back to and live in. I grew up near Geneva. My parents bought a house in France because it was cheaper. My dad crossed the border every day to work at CERN and take me to international school. I can't be Swiss, because my parents weren't resident. I can't be French, because I wasn't born there. The nearest French hospital is 2 hours away through the mountains and CER…

Sorry but I don’t understand the problem: you have British citizenship. You can reside and work anywhere in the EU. That puts you in a fairly enviable position. If you marry your wife is entitled to permanent residency (I think it’s called permanent leave to remain), which is a lot easier to get than say any US equivalent. British permanent residency is (for now) EU residency. It’s also not quite true that your child…

Marriage does entitle his wife to PR. It entitles his wife to FLR which needs to be renewed after 2.5 years before she will be granted indefinitely leave to remain (UK green card).

If you lose your job before the renewal she won’t get the visa.

You are better off moving to Canada. You will both get PR straight away and citizenship in 3 years.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by jpatokal »

tejasmanohar wrote: post #33
tomerico wrote: post #28

For those looking to compare levels between the mentioned companies, I found http://levels.fyi useful

Can anyone attest to the accuracy of this? Levels have pay ranges , right? If so, does this site portray the lower or higher end of the range? Also, are levels pretty translatable between big corps? Does level at one company have weight when interviewing at another?

I'm not qualified to comment on the comparisons, but there's a glaring mistake on the first page: software engineers at Google are "SWE", not "SDE". Given that this is the most common job code in the company, this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in its accuracy.

And yes, for Google/FB/MS these are common knowledge and HR will set offers accordingly. Interesting to see that eg. Netflix and Palantir apparently don't have any software engineer levels though.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by digianarchist »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #52
fjsolwmv wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have a country to call home?

"Home" is a place I can settle, start a family, go back to and live in. I grew up near Geneva. My parents bought a house in France because it was cheaper. My dad crossed the border every day to work at CERN and take me to international school. I can't be Swiss, because my parents weren't resident. I can't be French, because I wasn't born there. The nearest French hospital is 2 hours away through the mountains and CER…

If you come into Canada using the Express Entry immigrantiom system then you land as a PR and so does your wife. No qualification period.

Also Canada recognises commonlaw marriage.

Re: Tech company career ladders

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Post by kamura »

wheresmyusern wrote: post #12

i hesitate to pursue a career of any kind, especially tech, because of all this. you have to have a pretty good personality and charisma in order to work well with your manager, or else you will make no progress which means you get fired. people are born with all kinds of quirks, peculiarities and qualities. while im a better programmer than most of the people who i went to college with, i have a special problem with…

Its definitely an important quality to be able to sweet talk and create pleasant relationships with the other colleagues.

But for myself it becomes really hard to do so with people, with whom my relationship might have downgraded, which in a working environment can have a serious impact in your progression, your evaluations and how much respect other people actually give you.

On the tech side, I have also felt that most people don't want to talk about anything related to tech, or when they do it's rather vague and blank, without properly backing up there convictions.

It would be nice to be able to share experiences with other employees regarding their favorite programming languages, opinions on the new X/Y/Z language, what could be done to improve our project, and so on. But most conversations don't evolve to any of that, it's mostly making fun of each other (on a nice way), flirt, sports and gibberish.

I am currently trying to gain knowledge after work on different topics such as: Docker, Kubernetes, services exposed by Cloud Providers (Azure on my case) and how to manage/deploy them, but I don't think anyone from my team would ever be interested in talking about it, which simply makes me feel like I am on a place where I don't belong.

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