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Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by latch »

stretchwithme wrote: post #30

I'll stick with Japanese cars. I've been driving Toyotas for 35 years. And they're an ally. My hope is that China will moderate and become less authoritarian and less of a threat to its neighbors. Most countries have over time. And I hope the US will be less involved in foreign military adventures. There's no doubt in my mind that much of what dictators do is driven by what we do. I also believe that trade helps prev…

> less of a threat to its neighbors

Doesn't China have a exceedingly good record here? Quick googling suggest it has had no major (and certainly no unilateral) military conflicts in the last 30 years. Military build up seems reasonable given the situation in Korea, Pakistan and India, the growing isolation of Russia, and America's continued military "adventures." It's claims in the south china sea do seem out of character, but we live in a world where might is right.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by hvidgaard »

ummonk wrote: post #43
2RTZZSro wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chery J3 costs just as much as the Japanese car if not more. The catch is when you crash you pay with your life. The J3 has very poor body integrity in an accident. It should be pulled from all markets immediately. If you value life you should immediately get rid of this car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naUWH8Scc80

Huh. The low rating confuses me from watching that video. To my not that experienced eye, the main issue seems to be the airbag not expanding sufficiently. The car seems to have done a good job of crumpling to absorb the impact without deforming too much inside the cabin itself. Edit: okay the main issue is described here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RWnocukG8 The steering wheel gets pushed into the driver's ch…

The ratings is mostly based on sensor readings in the dummys, so while it looked reasonable, the dummys tell a different story. And that is reflected in the ratings.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by phil248 »

beebmam wrote: post #6

If global markets aren't transforming China out of totalitarianism, then morally, shouldn't we stop assisting the economic development of China? I'm horrified by some of the stories I've been told by my Chinese co-workers. Threats of violence to family members (for speaking freely) by the Chinese government is extremely common.

The American president made violent threats to a woman he had an affair with. He suggested people beat up protesters at his rallies. He frequently attacks the free press, judicial system, law enforcement and minority religious and ethnic groups.

And that's just the president. What about US incarceration rates, use of the death penalty and racial bias in law enforcement? Or the frequent, devastating use of military force on populations all over the planet.

I'm not equivocating, just stating some facts that may offer perspective on your suggestion that we diminish the living standards of 1.3 billion people because their government is terrible in different ways than our own.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by RaceWon »

nradov wrote: post #9
rlglwx wrote: post #3

Whenever you read an article like this ask yourself why it hasn’t happened yet. Geely, Great Wall and numerous other Chinese domestic brands have been operating for decades. Why haven’t they cracked the USA market? The dealer network system in the United States.

Hyundai / Kia cracked the USA market and built their own franchise dealer networks not that long ago. So it's clearly possible as long as you're willing to invest enough and eat the losses for a while.

KIA and Hyundai win at the International level in racing and or rallying. That is still the key to selling cars. Ask Mercedes, ask Ferrari, or even Ford. As the saying goes; Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday .

I know I'm Old school, and some day in the Future self-driving cars MAY dominate the highways... but (thankfully) that day is not today.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by arvinjoar »

latch wrote: post #51
stretchwithme wrote: post #30

I'll stick with Japanese cars. I've been driving Toyotas for 35 years. And they're an ally. My hope is that China will moderate and become less authoritarian and less of a threat to its neighbors. Most countries have over time. And I hope the US will be less involved in foreign military adventures. There's no doubt in my mind that much of what dictators do is driven by what we do. I also believe that trade helps prev…

> less of a threat to its neighbors Doesn't China have a exceedingly good record here? Quick googling suggest it has had no major (and certainly no unilateral) military conflicts in the last 30 years. Military build up seems reasonable given the situation in Korea, Pakistan and India, the growing isolation of Russia, and America's continued military "adventures." It's claims in the south china sea do seem out of char…

You can't look only at track record. Afaik they have an unreasonable amount of infantry for purely defensive purposes. They're #3 globally in terms of firepower, of course they won't create trouble until they're reasonably sure they'll come out ahead. Once they're more powerful economically and militarily you'll have a an unscrupulous nation, with a dictator for life, capable of very long-term planning, leading a pretty explicitly racist people in need of massive amounts of natural resources.

So yeah, even though they're not currently adventurous militarily, I wouldn't count on that being the case forever.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by xevb3k »

nichtich wrote: post #16
xevb3k wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s something that should be considered, but it would be useful to provide more than anecdotal support. Are threats of violence really that common? What clear sources are there for that statement?

The usual. WaPo/NYTimes both did several stories like this. But keep in mind that one result of suppression of free speech is the lack of clear sources. So anecdotal is sometimes the best we got. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/world/asia/china-xinjiang...

The article you cite is regarding journalists. While I accept that this is bad, the comment above as I understood it was regarding threats against regular people for speaking freely.

I’m not saying that doesn’t occur, but I would be interested in non-anecdotal sources. If any exist.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by amriksohata »

You have to love how threatened people feel by China rising, words like "invasion" and "human rights". How do we think The United States rose or Britain? When they became the biggest superpowers? Just look at the migration of Europeans into the Wild West and how they took the Natives land from them, or the slave trade etc. I'm not saying that makes them any better, but it's just odd how we sometimes perceive ourselves better just because now after all those years we are trying to teach the world our mistakes but oh no you're not allowed to grow!

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by ikeyany »

stretchwithme wrote: post #36
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it's because the end result would be both poverty and totalitarianism.

Not necessarily. A country can be prosperous with no foreign trade. Earth has no foreign trade and extreme poverty there fell by 50% between 2000 and 2012. China is not even an order of magnitude smaller.

My understanding is that Earth imports almost 100% of its energy without generating any for export. Would you care to see what happens when its foreign energy supply is truly cut off?

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by RaceWon »

elvirs wrote: post #44
beebmam wrote: post #6

If global markets aren't transforming China out of totalitarianism, then morally, shouldn't we stop assisting the economic development of China? I'm horrified by some of the stories I've been told by my Chinese co-workers. Threats of violence to family members (for speaking freely) by the Chinese government is extremely common.

America has killed quite a few million people during its delivering democracy to the desert adventures in just last one decade. Pretty sure its more than what Chinese have done by a magnitude of 10x. Have you considered consuming less American made products?

Consider consuming less USA products? Hmm... No, never, not at all. The truth is no one knows How many people have been killed in China. Another truth is: I can sit here in NY and say Trump is an Idiot who should be Impeached because he is AN ASS and wake up safe and sound in the morning. Try that in China and let me know how that works out for ya.

Re: The Chinese Car Invasion Is Coming

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Post by boznz »

beebmam wrote: post #6

If global markets aren't transforming China out of totalitarianism, then morally, shouldn't we stop assisting the economic development of China? I'm horrified by some of the stories I've been told by my Chinese co-workers. Threats of violence to family members (for speaking freely) by the Chinese government is extremely common.

Good luck buying ANYTHING either not made in China or having parts made in China, that ship has well and truly sailed.
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