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The case for hydrogen-powered cars

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Re: The case for hydrogen-powered cars

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The average commute is 25 minutes. Only 2.2 million Americans commute over 50 miles.

That's already 2.2 million people, not an insignificant market.

I started out talking about “typical driving habits,” and 50 miles is still just fine in a decent EV.

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Eventually, and we don't know what might happen with fuel cell technology before that. It is likely to always be faster to refill.

BEVs are vastly faster to refill in many cases if you measure what really matters (driver waiting time). If you look at the current state of things, hydrogen cars are even more expensive and are impossible to own in most of the country. That might change in the future but it’s hard to match the infrastructure advantage of having millions of “fueling stations” in the form of electrical outlets, and BEVs continue to im…

Oh, no argument that hydrogen cars are ridiculously priced and practically useless (I guess that's why they only sell them in California).

As battery capacity improves, charging from a regular outlet will only take longer and longer. And driver waiting time is short only if you can charge at home and never care about going anywhere beyond the charging range. It does work for a large number of people, but is a non-starter for a large segment as well.

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That's already 2.2 million people, not an insignificant market.

I started out talking about “typical driving habits,” and 50 miles is still just fine in a decent EV.

2.2 million people is typical enough, I'd say... And it is fine, as long as you actually have somewhere to charge. Where I live (and that's SV, not exactly boondocks) nearest charging station would be 15-20 minutes walking, each way. Costs more than just using gas, too. People commuting 50+ miles would likely have even tougher time finding a nice charger, unless they have their own home and can charge at home EV rate.

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I started out talking about “typical driving habits,” and 50 miles is still just fine in a decent EV.

2.2 million people is typical enough, I'd say... And it is fine, as long as you actually have somewhere to charge. Where I live (and that's SV, not exactly boondocks) nearest charging station would be 15-20 minutes walking, each way. Costs more than just using gas, too. People commuting 50+ miles would likely have even tougher time finding a nice charger, unless they have their own home and can charge at home EV rate…

Oh come on. The US workforce is over 160 million people. 2.2 million out of that is “typical”?

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2.2 million people is typical enough, I'd say... And it is fine, as long as you actually have somewhere to charge. Where I live (and that's SV, not exactly boondocks) nearest charging station would be 15-20 minutes walking, each way. Costs more than just using gas, too. People commuting 50+ miles would likely have even tougher time finding a nice charger, unless they have their own home and can charge at home EV rate…

Oh come on. The US workforce is over 160 million people. 2.2 million out of that is “typical”?

It's... over 2 million people/vehicles. That's more than population of some countries.

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Oh come on. The US workforce is over 160 million people. 2.2 million out of that is “typical”?

It's... over 2 million people/vehicles. That's more than population of some countries.

So? “Typical” has nothing to do with how the absolute number compares to other countries. Do your not know what the word means, or are you just being extremely obtuse?

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It's... over 2 million people/vehicles. That's more than population of some countries.

So? “Typical” has nothing to do with how the absolute number compares to other countries. Do your not know what the word means, or are you just being extremely obtuse?

So, you're the one talking about "typical". I am pointing out that there is a rather significant market where current EVs are not workable (FCV would be, if they were reasonably priced, though). And that market really is larger than just people with long commutes. My commute is short enough, but I would end up paying more to charge than I pay for gas, and spending an 30-40 minutes each day just getting to where the car is.
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