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Bringing people back to the open web

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Re: Bringing people back to the open web

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Post by pmlnr »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #80
pmlnr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost contact with many people because none of them respected me constantly asking to keep in touch outside of facebook - email, for example. I don't have lighter words, even if I consider them friends. Moving on from grammar and culture (in my read, I wasn't offensive, merely stated a fact), what actual solutions, proposals, ideas, can you contribute?

This idea that "merely stating a fact" means you can't be offensive is part of the problem. Your original statement was pretty insulting and offensive, no matter how true you believe it was. If you want to change things, culture is a huge part of achieving that, and being able to express these concerns without being insulting to other people like that is a huge part of it.

I've tried to run platforms for people, Movim, Diaspora, Buddycloud, a lot of things, nobody was interested, because it's simpler to stay on facebook, because it's convenient, and because running a website is a lot of work - these are actual responses I got.

They are lazy, that's the sad truth.

Re: Bringing people back to the open web

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Post by superkuh »

Spivak wrote: post #90
superkuh wrote: post #86

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Because what a small, loud minority of people call "bullying" simply isn't. Because sometimes mocking ideas is the right thing to do. The idea that "bullying" or "harassment" should be eliminated comes from a place where people believe they can define an absolute right or wrong. And even more unbelievable, they think that there is a person (or worse, a group of people) that know these absolutes. If they want to block…

I don't think your proposed solution will really change anything and would probably backfire if it became reality. Congrats, you now have a public website espousing opinions that would have gotten you banned from the former central platforms. But it doesn't really matter since the practical reach of your message is basically nonexistant. You're blacklisted from all the popular webrings who are empowered to moderate e…

Except none of that happens because the people pushing for stupid things like anti-bullying were in the minority all along.

Also, my self hosted website has been doing fine for ~20 years now. And because I don't care about reach or other marketing and business terms even in your scarecrow scenario I'm just fine too.

Re: Bringing people back to the open web

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Post by s73v3r_ »

pmlnr wrote: post #91
s73v3r_ wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This idea that "merely stating a fact" means you can't be offensive is part of the problem. Your original statement was pretty insulting and offensive, no matter how true you believe it was. If you want to change things, culture is a huge part of achieving that, and being able to express these concerns without being insulting to other people like that is a huge part of it.

I've tried to run platforms for people, Movim, Diaspora, Buddycloud, a lot of things, nobody was interested, because it's simpler to stay on facebook, because it's convenient, and because running a website is a lot of work - these are actual responses I got. They are lazy, that's the sad truth.

How did you sell those platforms to them? How did you explain that they're better than Facebook? And, given that all the people they want to talk to are already on Facebook, why should they go off to this thing they've never heard of, that they're going to have to administer, which doesn't have any of the people they want to talk to.

It's not that any of them are lazy. They simply have other priorities for what to do with their time, and other priorities for how a social network should work. To them, those alternatives don't provide the value that Facebook provides to them.

If you want to convince others to not use Facebook, I highly suggest you not fall into the trap of deciding that people who don't share your priorities are "lazy".

Re: Bringing people back to the open web

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Post by superkuh »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #78
superkuh wrote: post #3

>If the closed web is a place where hate speech, harassment and bullying thrives, the open web can be, needs to be an experience where it does not. I am strongly against this appeal to censorship. Luckily in the real open web, where you host your own content the incentives and mechanisms for censorship are few and difficult to achieve. No, my dream of the open web is diverse. Full of things people hate and full of th…

You're confusing censorship with no platforming, they are not the same thing.

True enough. But when the government creates the economic and legal incentives to force private companies to de-platform people (ie, FOSTA-SESTA) the difference is marginal.
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