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It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

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Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

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Semirhage wrote: post #60
dmfdmf wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My logical and rhetorical integrity is intact, you don't really know what ad hominem means. It means to raise some irrelevant fact about the person making the argument as a reason to dismiss what the person is claiming. E.g. don't listen to Binswanger because he is rich. The vast majority of people who attack or dismiss or smear Ayn Rand have not (or superficially) read what she wrote but this is a fact that IS relev…

Reassertion of your unsupported claim about who has and hasn’t read something still isn’t an argument, it’s stil a straw man. Do you have any substance to offer?

Before we move on to your new Straw Man accusation, let's close out your old accusation that my argument is Ad Hom. Do you concede that point, if not why?

Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

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Post by Semirhage »

dmfdmf wrote: post #61
Semirhage wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reassertion of your unsupported claim about who has and hasn’t read something still isn’t an argument, it’s stil a straw man. Do you have any substance to offer?

Before we move on to your new Straw Man accusation, let's close out your old accusation that my argument is Ad Hom. Do you concede that point, if not why?

There’s nothing new here.

That is ad hominem against a straw man, so I’m applying grains of salt heavily to your commitment to logical and rhetorical integrity.

Is the first thing I said. Meanwhile I stand by it, but it seemed prudent to break it down point by point until you had nowhere left to go. “All of these people I must invented haven’t even read the books!” Is still just what I said it was.

Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

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Post by dmfdmf »

Semirhage wrote: post #62
dmfdmf wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before we move on to your new Straw Man accusation, let's close out your old accusation that my argument is Ad Hom. Do you concede that point, if not why?

There’s nothing new here. That is ad hominem against a straw man, so I’m applying grains of salt heavily to your commitment to logical and rhetorical integrity. Is the first thing I said. Meanwhile I stand by it, but it seemed prudent to break it down point by point until you had nowhere left to go. “All of these people I must invented haven’t even read the books!” Is still just what I said it was.

The implication of your position (i.e., that my argument is Ad Hom) is that the validity or merit of someone's opinion of Ayn Rand's work is independent of whether they have read her work or not is absurd on the face of it. It implies that people can have valid or valuable opinions on subjects of which they are completely ignorant. These implications are independent of whether my claim is true or false (which, I agree, is a disputable point or at least one that must be validated).

> Meanwhile I stand by it...

You can stand all you want but your position is not defensible in logic. I will repeat what I previously stated: You do not know what Ad Hom means. I know this for a fact because you fail to see an obvious implication of your position. We can address the validity of my claim but only if you see that my argument is not Ad Hom. If not then there is not much else to discuss.

Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

#64

Post by Semirhage »

dmfdmf wrote: post #63
Semirhage wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s nothing new here. That is ad hominem against a straw man, so I’m applying grains of salt heavily to your commitment to logical and rhetorical integrity. Is the first thing I said. Meanwhile I stand by it, but it seemed prudent to break it down point by point until you had nowhere left to go. “All of these people I must invented haven’t even read the books!” Is still just what I said it was.

The implication of your position (i.e., that my argument is Ad Hom) is that the validity or merit of someone's opinion of Ayn Rand's work is independent of whether they have read her work or not is absurd on the face of it. It implies that people can have valid or valuable opinions on subjects of which they are completely ignorant. These implications are independent of whether my claim is true or false (which, I agre…

...are repeating what they heard or have read it and failed to comprehend her ideas.

Remember saying that? I’m getting tired of having to “remind” you of what has been said, so yes, we’re done.

Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

#65

Post by dmfdmf »

Semirhage wrote: post #64
dmfdmf wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication of your position (i.e., that my argument is Ad Hom) is that the validity or merit of someone's opinion of Ayn Rand's work is independent of whether they have read her work or not is absurd on the face of it. It implies that people can have valid or valuable opinions on subjects of which they are completely ignorant. These implications are independent of whether my claim is true or false (which, I agre…

...are repeating what they heard or have read it and failed to comprehend her ideas. Remember saying that? I’m getting tired of having to “remind” you of what has been said, so yes, we’re done.

The Vietnam strategy; declare victory and retreat.

Since to you logic is a game, like chess, you should study our little exchange and see how you lost in your very first move. But logic is not a game (it is our means to knowledge) but if you treat it as such it is a game you can never win, even if you do.

Re: It's Time for the 99% to Give Back to the 1%

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Post by peatmoss »

mywittyname wrote: post #40
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #34

Jesus. Hasn't the Randian philosophy been deconstructed enough? No income tax for someone that earns $1m+, but taxes on those who earn less? In what entirely silver-spoon-born-and-bred entitled mind does this possibly make sense? Taxes create the infrastructure that makes society possible and the bigger the business / industry, the more it requires basic infrastructure in order to grow or maintain itself. What more d…

> Which likely means he was converted as a teenager and hasn't been able to question these beliefs as that gets more difficult and depressing as one ages. That explains why I'm having a hard time gauging whether or not this article is satire.

A keen appreciation for satire and a strong BS meter means occasionally assuming that crazy positions are satire rather than evidence of craziness. On the other hand, this kind of bias can also be called charitable, so it’s not a bad way to go through life.
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