What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data” • Hacker News Board

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by pdkl95 » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:41 PM UTC

dmoo wrote: post #16

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's yet to be seen. Can you imagine the ire when Europeans are able to download a rich set of information on how they're being tracked and so on, whereas Americans and the rest of the world has no access to that information? I can't. What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advert…

This is why FB has moved data for 1.5b users back to the USA

According to Reuters[1], "Facebook said the latest change does not have tax implications." If they are still paying taxes through Ireland for the profit they make off those 1.5b users, they seem to be choosing to EU jurisdiction (which would include the GDPR) regardless of any contract of adhesion they forced users "agree" to.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy-eu-exclu...

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by mattmanser » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

mtremsal wrote: post #17

dmoo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why FB has moved data for 1.5b users back to the USA

Has there been any conversation on HN regarding what this move achieves? I cannot see any clear benefit with regards to GDPR.

It's so the non-EU users won't have any rights under the GDPR. All non-US users were officially being served by Facebook Ireland instead of Facebook US, which would have put them under GDPR too (like India, Australia, etc.).

The discussion is here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16872542

I don't see it in a quick scan, but I wonder if that means all the revenue from those countries will no longer be shielded from US taxes, which might indicate how seriously FB see the GDPR as a threat.

EDIT: pdkl95 mentions in another comment, they claim it doesn't.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by ikeboy » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

In my experience it doesn't have your comments, posts, etc in groups.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by lamename » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

matlock wrote: post #14

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's yet to be seen. Can you imagine the ire when Europeans are able to download a rich set of information on how they're being tracked and so on, whereas Americans and the rest of the world has no access to that information? I can't. What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advert…

"What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advertisers's money via Ireland" That is specifically not possible under GDPR. It doesn't matter where your company sits, if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR with potential for severe puni…

> ... if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR ...

Does that mean the company has to follow it even for non-European users?

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:47 PM UTC

pdkl95 wrote: post #21

dmoo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why FB has moved data for 1.5b users back to the USA

According to Reuters[1], "Facebook said the latest change does not have tax implications." If they are still paying taxes through Ireland for the profit they make off those 1.5b users, they seem to be choosing to EU jurisdiction (which would include the GDPR) regardless of any contract of adhesion they forced users "agree" to. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy-eu-exclu...

Facebook could have made a startegic decision to permanently repatriate profits based on US tax law changes before making the GDPR decision, which would make the GDPR decision tax-consequence free.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by maaark » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:49 PM UTC

fredley wrote: post #19

mtremsal wrote: post #18

Thought experiment: if after 5/25, I download my data, then revoke consent and delete my account, then a while later reactivate my account and log back in -- if any of my previous personal data is tied to my "new" account, have I proven that my personal data wasn't entirely deleted since Facebook could still uniquely identify me?

Yes. I'm waiting to delete my account until after the 25th because: * There's slightly more of a chance they'll actually delete my data * If they don't, I'll be entitled to be a part of any class-action.

Same, and I'll be encouraging others to do so.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by hvidgaard » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 1:52 PM UTC

lamename wrote: post #24

matlock wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What is more probable is tha FB will try a legal trick claiming they are an American company and they follow the laws of California, not EU, even if they gladly accept European advertisers's money via Ireland" That is specifically not possible under GDPR. It doesn't matter where your company sits, if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR with potential for severe puni…

> ... if you store data from europeans (or people living in europe) you have to follow the GDPR ... Does that mean the company has to follow it even for non-European users?

No. For all users within EU it must follow the GDPR. If you are a US citizen and access FB from EU, they must follow the GDPR, as far as I understand it.

And being FB, they really do not have a choice, since the EU do have leverage over them because they're doing business here.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by SubiculumCode » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 2:10 PM UTC

One thing is clear. If they delete my data upon my request, they do not,for obvious reasons, delete it's contribution to any ML that was trained with it. Also, when deleting data, I wonder whether they delete any derived scores based on my data.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by fortythirteen » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 2:25 PM UTC

> Wikileaks, Julian Assange, and alt-right provocateurs recommend giving it a whirl.

Classic guilt-by-association propaganda technique.

Re: What’s Not Included in Facebook’s “Download Your Data”

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Post by bogomipz » Mon, Apr 23, 2018, 2:26 PM UTC

mtremsal wrote: post #18

Thought experiment: if after 5/25, I download my data, then revoke consent and delete my account, then a while later reactivate my account and log back in -- if any of my previous personal data is tied to my "new" account, have I proven that my personal data wasn't entirely deleted since Facebook could still uniquely identify me?

>"Thought experiment: if after 5/25, I download my data, then revoke consent and delete my account, then a while later reactivate my account and log back in ..."

If you actually delete your account you won't be able to reactivate it. There is an option to deactivate it but then all of your personal data is preserved anyway.