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Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by textmode »

georgebarnett wrote: post #160
Bombthecat wrote: post #146

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I'm pretty sure that one day Apple will also use / sell your data. Why? Because it makes them even more money...

What evidence do you have for this baseless accusation? Apple have been hammering Google on privacy for many years and they have an incredible track record on privacy when they’ve had their feet held to the fire with the FBI.

Is Apple collecting the minimum amount of user data possible?

Do purchasers of Apple hardware decide which "features" Apple should offer?

Do these purchasers decide what tradeoffs will be made between (a) not collecting user data (maximum privacy by design) and (b) collecting user data with the justification that a "feature" requires it (sacrafice user privacy as required by manufacturer's design)?

Apple's CEO calls privacy a "fundamental human right".

If by its design Apple hardware encourages or requires that right to be abridged (e.g. AppleID, AppStore, etc.), who makes the determination that the purchasers absolute fundamental right (hardware only, no data collection) is outweighed by the need to provide "features" that encourage or necessitate privacy tradeoffs (pre-installed software, ongoing "services", licenses to compile and install software, etc.).

Who decides when the "fundamental right" to privacy should be diminished to support a "feature" chosen by the manufacturer?

If there is (a) one type of hardware/software company that collects user data and sells advertisement, (b) a second type of hardware/software company that collects user data but does not sell advertisement, then is there (c) a third type of hardware/software company that does not collect user data?

What would be the most ideal company for the privacy-conscious consumer: (a), (b) or (c)?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by rock_hard »

Karunamon wrote: post #198
wl78393 wrote: post #195

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Apple to US FBI: We will never unlock a device for you! See you in court! Apple to China: What can we do for you, comrades?

The FBI doesn’t have the power to ban Apple from the US. There’s no legal framework to dissolve a corporation for a dispute about searches. China, on the other hand...

Still, Tim Cook needs to stop being such a fucking hypocrite!

Not wanting to comply with a FBI request but then storing the iMessage private keys in Beijing.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by hetspookjee »

vvanders wrote: post #217
jeswin wrote: post #165

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> If you switch from Chrome to Firefox on Android you find all kinds of features missing, like in image search. I've been on Firefox nightly Android for eight months now. While generally the browsing is better than chrome thanks to ad blocking, the Google services are pared down versions for no reason. Search, finance, news, so many. This is a clear case of abusing market dominance - and not due to Firefox missing an…

I found that FF on Android just isn't up to par yet. Even on a OnePlus 3T, HN stutters when scrolling. It's a shame because I'd love to ditch chrome.

It's weird cause I'm using FF on an far inferior phone, Huawei p10 lite, and it works out great for HN .

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by traek »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #194
Bombthecat wrote: post #146

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I'm pretty sure that one day Apple will also use / sell your data. Why? Because it makes them even more money...

What data are you worried about them selling? I made a model of Facebook Likes data, but it passed unnoticed. I guess there's no market for it. https://github.com/peterburk/sortlikes

In what way is this Github repo of yours a “model of Facebook likes data”?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by MarkMc »

cdancette wrote: post #4

Next is passing laws to avoid those kind of problems (like GDPR). It's not sufficient to go after each shady company that sells your data.

GDPR isn't very effective in that regard. 98% of Facebook users will just click 'Agree and Continue' when promoted, giving Facebook the legal right to buy/sell whatever data they want.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by elenax »

georgebarnett wrote: post #160
Bombthecat wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that one day Apple will also use / sell your data. Why? Because it makes them even more money...

What evidence do you have for this baseless accusation? Apple have been hammering Google on privacy for many years and they have an incredible track record on privacy when they’ve had their feet held to the fire with the FBI.

What your say on Apple decision of setting Google as default browser. Enabling google have their users browsing activity. These billion dollar deals are not a myth afterall...

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by blub »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #211
throw2016 wrote: post #148

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Untrue, people are paying serious money for their Android phones. OEMs too pay Google. So customers are not 'demanding' anything for free. But that doesn't stop Google's insatiable need for personal data and stalking people. Android is designed to leak like a sieve. And this is yet another example for those who continue to make the false argument that if customers paid surveillance would go away. On the contrary comp…

Android does not leak like a sieve. All you have to do is not use Google services. There are plenty of others if you're willing to pay a little bit. Or pay for GSuite and they turn the tracking off. Nothing in this world is free except a mother's love.

The only thing you have to do is uninstall the Google apps you mean, handicapping your phone.

The Android platform itself is designed to siphon as much data as possible: contacts, pictures, locations, wifi hotspot information, etc.

If you think that you can avoid Google's greed for data just by not using GMail you are way way behind in the game and your misleading comment is harming others which might now feel safe using what is essentially a very evolved spyware OS. Sure, Google are nice and won't steal your credit card number and purchase stuff with it. They just take every bit of info they can get their hands on.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by alfongj »

freehunter wrote: post #46
justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

This has been my stance for about five years now. I don’t want to give all this info to companies I don’t trust. Apple devices might cost more, but Apple only makes money from you when you give them money. Google and Facebook make money when you give them money and then make money when you give them information too. There’s a perverse incentive, they want you to use it more and give them more information because they…

Apple has ads. Have you read their ToS / privacy policy?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by sf_rob »

simfoo wrote: post #86
justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

They also do this with Google Maps on Android. Disabled Location History sharing with Google? Sorry, we cannot remember the last search term you entered in Google Maps ON THE SAME DEVICE. This is so infuriating

It used to be the case that Maps wouldn't search places that you starred on that device when you turned off Location History. They fixed that some time in the past year.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by sf_rob »

darren_ wrote: post #203
simfoo wrote: post #86

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They also do this with Google Maps on Android. Disabled Location History sharing with Google? Sorry, we cannot remember the last search term you entered in Google Maps ON THE SAME DEVICE. This is so infuriating

That would be terrible if it was true, which it isn't. Source: literally just tried it.

It likely was formerly true. Maps was very limited 2 years ago when I turned off Location History; it's gotten a lot better since.
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