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Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by downandout »

murukesh_s wrote: post #117
zeta0134 wrote: post #84

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Okay actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. I expect them to do advertising and they do not (!) need that kind of data on me for their search result advertising to be relevant. They have my search term; that should be enough in isolation. I would pay handsomely for Google Maps, but I have no such option. Again though, that is a service that works just fine without my individual data; they have m…

I think it's time a model will come up where you have an option to choose between an ad supported and paid version.

Take a keyword like "mesothelioma". Are you going to personally reimburse Google for the $100 that an advertiser would pay them for your click that they will lose by not showing you an ad with this keyword?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by rapnie »

justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

There are all kinds of such dark patterns. If you switch from Chrome to Firefox on Android you find all kinds of features missing, like in image search.

It's some time ago I checked, but I want to do a comparison and report to some naming & shaming site. Anyone knows a good one?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by Angostura »

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #112
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #56

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> For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. Apple does collect analytics, but those can be turned off in OSX at the very least. As a company, they are not currently geared towards data collection. They have publicly positioned themselves in favor of privacy.

The issue with Apple is transparency. I want a dashboard like Google provides to see what they are collecting, let me delete and download like Google does. Both companies have basically the same terms with privacy. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ Legal - Privacy Policy - Apple

I believe Apple is adding something like this to iCloud fairly soon, as part of GDPR preparations.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

Angostura wrote: post #123
jacksmith21006 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Apple is transparency. I want a dashboard like Google provides to see what they are collecting, let me delete and download like Google does. Both companies have basically the same terms with privacy. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ Legal - Privacy Policy - Apple

I believe Apple is adding something like this to iCloud fairly soon, as part of GDPR preparations.

Man I hope you are correct. I love google having all my devices with apps and permissions granted all in one place. I hope Apple copies exactly. Plus finally disclose what they are collecting and able to remove and download like Google.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by modeless »

zeta0134 wrote: post #84
product50 wrote: post #81

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Yeah - you want to make use of Google services (search, maps, youtube, Photos etc.) for free and don't want to give anything in return. #entitlement Also, most likely you turning off tracking will impact your Google experience. Google is different than Facebook in that they offer real value services without which you can't survive a day on the web. Just count how many times you rely on a Google service in a day. The…

Okay actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. I expect them to do advertising and they do not (!) need that kind of data on me for their search result advertising to be relevant. They have my search term; that should be enough in isolation. I would pay handsomely for Google Maps, but I have no such option. Again though, that is a service that works just fine without my individual data; they have m…

> actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services.

A lot of people say this. You already can pay for Gmail, Docs, Drive, Calendar, Photos, and YouTube. Are you paying for them?

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by isthatart »

product50 wrote: post #81
justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

Yeah - you want to make use of Google services (search, maps, youtube, Photos etc.) for free and don't want to give anything in return. #entitlement Also, most likely you turning off tracking will impact your Google experience. Google is different than Facebook in that they offer real value services without which you can't survive a day on the web. Just count how many times you rely on a Google service in a day. The…

Yeah I want to have a similar experience as with Linux. If they can't deliver that, and they can't, then they are only one more company holding us back.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by mattmanser »

rapnie wrote: post #122
justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

There are all kinds of such dark patterns. If you switch from Chrome to Firefox on Android you find all kinds of features missing, like in image search. It's some time ago I checked, but I want to do a comparison and report to some naming & shaming site. Anyone knows a good one?

Also try turning location off on your android phone so it only gets it when requested. The nagging, whining, breaking and pleading various google services do is confusing and annoying.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by mattmanser »

tmoravec wrote: post #52
justinzollars wrote: post #35

Concerned that google has so much info ( https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity ) I visited https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols to turn off Web & App Activity, but left Voice & Audio Activity on. This breaks my google home. I do not want Google to save 20 years of search history so I can use a stupid google home. For the first time I'm considering Apple's device. This is a dark pattern Google

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt here. It's probably just because of the voice control, which can be presumably used for web search. And they personalize the web search with your history. It looks more like poor engineering than a dark pattern.

I would buy that if they did that occasionally, but all their services behave badly when you try and take back some privacy.

To me it feels like they're deliberately making it painful when you minimise what you share with them.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

Might not be a popular view but my biggest issue is Apple and transparency on what they collect. Google has a fantastic dashboard with everything and ability to remove or even download.

Apple privacy agreement allows them to collect a ton of private data but that is it. You agree and no idea what they are doing with your data. Read the agreement.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ Legal - Privacy Policy - Apple

I do not like big gov but would be good with Apple forced to create a dashboard exactly like Google provides.

Re: After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next?

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Post by mattmanser »

Eridrus wrote: post #71
AJ007 wrote: post #44

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I’m waiting for an answer to this: will the least invasive platforms end up the least intelligent?

Almost certainly, if they don't know anything about you they can at best show the median/average outcome. Some of this can be counteracted with local processing, but that's not really hardware efficient, e.g. you wouldn't consider running a Google instance on everyone's phone. Breakthroughs in how we do computation could change this, but it would need to be a significant breakthrough, e.g. in homomorphic encryption a…

It's also counter to how our industry's gone, everything's cloud these days, not just because of their insatiable need to feast on our privacy, but also because it's easier to maintain, upgrade, etc. and effectively cuts piracy to nothing.
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