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Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Don't be so defeatist. You can realistically sidestep law a few ways, eg. (1) by being fervently multi-jurisdiction (2) by being transparent and high-profile and community-popular enough ("think of the children!") to resist attempts at regulation (3) by throwing the dog a bone (ie. making it profitable for a jurisdiction not to legislate against you or interfere) (4) by being nominally jurisdictionless (ie. darknet o…

I was being triumphant rather than defeatist. I believe democratically enacted laws are far better than power being exerted by those with technological might against those without.

Why yes - democracy in the idealistic sense and anarchism in the free sense are not so dissimilar. Such a pity about the small reality of human behavior!

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If you want full control, you've got to be in full control. But you can't do that if you delegate that control to a third party. That's the whole point of bitcoin. Instead of complaining, WikiLeaks can set up their own payment processing server and do away with Coinbase altogether. Can't do that with a bank account!

But it is good to know what is coinbase's moral compass.

They're essentially selling shovels in a Pyramid-Ponzi scheme gold rush, collecting fees in this new found "gold" as well; and with their Earn.com acquisition, they're trying to strengthen the ecosystem to help prop up the perceived value of the crypto-assets they hold/collect.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Alternative Hanlon's razor hypothesis: the system gets an abnormal amount of traffic during large price swings and they can't cope with the demand.

I don’t buy it. Any serious software engineer knows about the CAP theorem.

And yet they allowed me to accidentally double-sell bitcoin cash from my account, leaving me with a negative BCH balance for months now.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Do you recall what precipitated the invasion of Iraq?

There was no report signed off by the CIA, DNI, and DHS that concluded with high confidence that the Iraq government had WMDs. The WMD intelligence, such as it was, came from raw reports pulled directly from the lower levels of the CIA bypassing the ordinary processes. The report on Russian hacking pulled from conclusions drawn by the entire US intelligence community. Also, did you read the Mueller indictment of a do…

You also make another interesting point, even if it wasn't your intent. Mueller's indictment of hackers was in a legal system that would throw out the indictment if it were not logically and legally sound. The followup to that is, why wasn't there a presentation of the actual data that formed the conclusions of the IC the in the other cases that you mention? If you look at them, carefully, they have also been discredited since their presentations. The conclusions should be: 1) people are people with their own agendas and designs, and 2) appealing to authority isn't critical or independent thinking.

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Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

So the intelligence community's conclusion that the GRU hacked the RNC, and the Republican administration CIA director's endorsement of that report doesn't hold any weight whatsoever? When the civil servants and the political appointees of two administrations from different parties all three agree that the DNC and RNC were both hacked and exactly one set of data was leaked, does that carry no weight at all? If it was…

It has nothing to do with Wikileaks

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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It's also a ridiculous argument since Wikileaks does not have a monopoly on leaking secrets. Any whistleblowers who were censored by Wikileaks can not only find another channel to release their original documents, but also have another piece of important news about a provable systematic bias in Wikileaks'publishing patterns.

Supposing that the GRU hacked the DNC and RNC, but only gave WikiLeaks the DNC stuff, the RNC stuff would not see the light of day. Now maybe that exculpates Wikileaks, since they didn't have the RNC stuff to leak. Maybe it implicates them- if they knew the info was from Russia, and knew that Russia was trying to damage Clinton, and coordinated with the GRU to maximally damage her. Both things could be true. On the t…

> Maybe it implicates them- if they knew the info was from Russia, and knew that Russia was trying to damage Clinton, and coordinated with the GRU to maximally damage her. Both things could be true.

Going by my earlier comment - I would coordinate with the Satan to release true information, the source of the information does not necessarily contaminate its truthiness. Publishing true information, as a hypothetical whistleblower organization, is my hypothetical raison d'etre.

This only ever becomes suspect if I am selectively publishing, or if I am aware that I am selectively publishing.

In this case there needs to be evidence of either. Conversations with biased parties are not evidence unless they clearly state that the selective publishing is known.

It's also extremely important to realize what exactly the voters learned from the emails. CAP President Neera Tanden, and a prominent figure in HRC's campaign, expressed sharp criticisms for her favored candidate's judgment. DNC Chair Donna Brazille emailed privately about how the statistical job growth under President Obama was essentially a "technical" win, but had very little impact on people's lives. She also went on to leak debate questions to her favored candidate, exposing one of hundreds of different instances of a party-wide effort to sabotage the primary process.

Contrast this with the RNC primary. Virtually the entire party leadership loathed then-candidate Trump. As opposed to rallying around him, they actively rallied against him. In October there were discussions of replacing him on the ticket. Even at the convention, Ted Cruz reportedly went off-script and asked attendees to vote their conscience, as opposed to voting for candidate Trump. The divisions in the GOP were laid bare for the world to see. The divisions in the DNC stayed hidden from voters. Voters only learned much after the election that Donna Brazille contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton with another candidate after she fainted on 9/11, an event that ironically followed weeks of mainstream media outrage against "right wing conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton's Health", which also included a pickle-jar opening gag on a late night talk show.

What truths would Wikileaks have exposed about the RNC that weren't already publicly known? Is this an empty box containing any convenient allegation?

One of the USA's major political parties sabotaged the primary process, engaged in debate cheating, media manipulation and bird-dogging, all for a candidate whom many of the party's own leadership found wanting in terms of judgment. After all this - the outrage seems fixated on the messenger, Wikileaks, as if their alleged selective leaking somehow absolves the Democrats of these monumentally disgusting actions.

If you look at the election from the perspective of damage done to candidates - the sheer volume of substantiated negative press received by candidate Trump makes it really difficult to argue that voters could have somehow heard something else from the RNC's emails that would changed their minds about him.

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Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

> This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence. What? There's plenty of evidence. Wikileaks consistently published information damaging to Hillary Clinton in the run-up to the election, and published zero information damaging to Trump.

That is not evidence that they knowingly selectively leaked anything.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

But it's still important to be aware of the bias in a source. Supposed I'm biased against you and I report that you hacked into Bob's computer and I have evidence to prove it. I paint that to make you look like some kind of cyber villain and neglect to report the important fact that Bob asked you to do it. If the reader knows about my bias towards you then they know to take my reporting with a grain of salt because e…

That doesn't apply here.

The content here is raw emails from prominent Democrats discussing things like cheating in debates to favor Hillary Clinton, telling each other about how Hillary Clinton has really bad judgment, and an orchestrated campaign with friends in the media to discredit her primary challenger.

There can't really be any "bias" in this kind of primary source information. What would you argue here? That candidate Sanders wanted this to happen? We already know from Donna Brazille's book that this is all true, and there is no other side of this story.

Would you argue that folks like Neera Tanden were emailing wisecracks about Hillary Clinton's poor judgment (while publicly saying the opposite), is somehow mischaracterized? Contrast this with how the RNC treated their frontrunner - they publicly criticized him at every opportunity, and nobody rigged the RNC primary to favor candidate Trump - in fact, they did the complete opposite rather publicly, all but endorsing his opponent.

If equivalent information was in the RNC's emails, it was not brand new information to the public, because they were saying those things in public about their candidate, while the DNC did it in secret.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

"If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." - Churchill

Satan was an appropriate analogy for someone who tells you the truth about the world because of his alleged role in the famous Garden of Eden story.
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