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What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?

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I would like to know the contexts behind these defensive gun usages before I come to a conclusion. It could be that a significant portion are "empty" uses (e.g. brandishing a gun when scared by a weird noise at night when nobody was there), not actually defensive / used in a situation where the gun greatly escalated the situation (e.g. someone cuts you off in traffic and you "defend" your space), etc. - even though t…

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I would like to know the contexts behind these defensive gun usages before I come to a conclusion. It could be that a significant portion are "empty" uses (e.g. brandishing a gun when scared by a weird noise at night when nobody was there), not actually defensive / used in a situation where the gun greatly escalated the situation (e.g. someone cuts you off in traffic and you "defend" your space), etc. - even though t…

Here's the exact wording of the question:

> “During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?”

I don't think we should seriously modify those answers with anecdotes of "bragadocious machoism". The article says, "in sum, the surveys used an excellent, carefully worded DGU question, in contrast to the wordings used in so many other surveys".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "main goal" of the CDC "is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability in the US and internationally" [1]. Guns cause injury and disability. The CDC's work around guns has been an area of "partisan dispute" [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an...

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

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Why was the CDC asking about firearms?

Looks like there are some people trying to use the "anti-smoking" campaign as a blueprint for an "anti-gun" campaign. I found a couple links like this when I searched:

http://theconversation.com/public-health-research-reduced-sm...

I doubt any "motivated" research like this is going to be good science. It just seems impossible.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "main goal" of the CDC "is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability in the US and internationally" [1]. Guns cause injury and disability. The CDC's work around guns has been an area of "partisan dispute" [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an...

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

Guy says it's an area of partisan dispute, and you write a post that proves it.

Yes, it's partisan. Your facts may be right, but the argument is one sided.

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Why was the CDC asking about firearms?

Public health hazard. [Edit] The author, Gary Klek, is a firearm-ownership supporter.

>[Edit] The author, Gary Klek, is a firearm-ownership supporter.

Can you state clearly the implication of this?

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CDC can't study gun violence because they are out to ban guns.

Quote from the CDC head Mark Rosenberg from 1994: “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like we did with cigarettes. Now it [sic] is dirty, deadly and banned.”

This isn't an okay attitude for a government employee to have because the bill of rights guarantees all Americans the right to bear arms.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "main goal" of the CDC "is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability in the US and internationally" [1]. Guns cause injury and disability. The CDC's work around guns has been an area of "partisan dispute" [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_an...

Guns don’t cause injury and disability more than they prevent it. Sorry, but that’s the truth. We have 340,000,000 people, more guns than that. And 10,000 homicides where the vast majority are drug and gang related. We have a problem, but it’s not with guns. Edit: more truth, more downvotes. I’m curious as to why there is such effort against an enumerated right - when putting even 1/10th the effort into fighting hear…

Guns have an amplifier effect on suicides, domestic violence.

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I would like to know the contexts behind these defensive gun usages before I come to a conclusion. It could be that a significant portion are "empty" uses (e.g. brandishing a gun when scared by a weird noise at night when nobody was there), not actually defensive / used in a situation where the gun greatly escalated the situation (e.g. someone cuts you off in traffic and you "defend" your space), etc. - even though t…

Here's the exact wording of the question: > “During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?” I don't think we should seriously modify those answers with anecdotes of "bragadocious machoism". The article says, "in sum, the surveys used an excellent, carefully worded DGU question, in contrast to the wordings…

I know, I read the article. I'm saying that we're relying on respondents' interpretations of "confront another person" and "defend." Given that a small absolute percentage of people replied in the affirmative, I think it's reasonable to assume that some portion of those may have been confused by the question or over interpreted it.

I'm not disagreeing with the author, I just would want to see more data. The reason this doesn't 100% pass my sanity check is that the study's figures suggest that ~2m people use gun's defensively every year, which is a very high figure given that there are ~680k violent crimes every year per the study. So I would want to know the distribution of the cases when guns are used defensively, to understand this discrepancy

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