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Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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Unsolicited advice: get yourself global entry.

Unsolicited advice: Not everyone is into sacrificing money to avoid bullshit security theater that has been going on for 17 years. Trains have the beauty of being able to go to the station, hop on the train, hop off. No wait or lines. I've had great trips taking the subway to Union Station then a train to San Diego. If trains were more affordable, widespread, and faster, it'd probably help the US immensely.

It may sound a bit arrogant, but global entry is 100$/5yrs, and TSA-pre is 80$ for similar amount of time.

If you are well-off to be using air transportation, it would be worth it. Though, I might be agreeing with you on the utility of excessive security check. As a foreign national, I can tell you that US requires 4x the security checks in foreign airports in inbound flights to US.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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Taxpayers should barely subsidize trains, if at all. If they're not profitable it's a very strong sign they shouldn't be run in the first place. (Or prices should be increased.) America is very different from Europe and Japan. Japan's population is concentrated in a single megalopolis. Europe is denser than America as well, 700 million people in roughly the same area. Another reason sprawling rail networks aren't a g…

Ironically, one of the biggest problems Amtrak faces is that it's forced, by Congressional decree, to service unprofitable routes on track time that must be paid to freight carriers. If Amtrak operated only the Northeast Corridor, and could reinvest in that region instead of having to beg for nickels, the US could have train service in a region that more closely mimics the relative density of Europe. Acela is a step…

Yep, but you get romantics who just can't imagine reducing train service on those unused lines out of the romance, and they come and downvote people who suggest maybe this things aren't much of a public service, and people who aren't using them shouldn't be paying for them.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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Just to be clear, I was and am talking about the actual thugs who attacked you, not the train attendants or Amtrak etc. I generally try to understand people's motivations, analyze in terms of what larger systemic failings led them on a path etc. But when your job is to directly terrorize and rob people for a mere paycheck, I think one's Nuremberg defense has gone out the window. And there most certainly are people wh…

> Just to be clear, I was and am talking about the actual thugs who attacked you, not the train attendants or Amtrak etc. Sure - me too. > when your job is to directly terrorize and rob people for a mere paycheck, I think one's Nuremberg defense has gone out the window. Yeah, agreed. I don't want to make excuses for these people or understate their wrongs. They sucked. And they owe me and my family and everybody they…

> I can tell you that I'm exactly in that position

I mean specifically the luxury of offering them mental help rather than punishment. Which can only happen from a position of societal authority, after these criminals have been removed from power.

I do understand the argument of say not condemning an individual TSA ball fondler [0] because they didn't personally choose the policies of their job. But in your case you were outright attacked - I think individual criminality definitively crosses a line where one can no longer say the thugs are just poor people forced to do a job.

It's kind of like when someone goes a bit too far blaming poverty for some instance of less-organized violent crime, and actually starts absolving the criminal as being another victim of the circumstances. In actuality, both the existence of the poverty and the crime itself are wrong, and regardless of the incentives being stacked against them, the criminal still chose to do wrong.

> Not only am I in a more comfortable and privileged position than people who are more seriously victimized by this system

As an aside, I will point out this means you actually have more of a duty to seek justice. A poor person will just get laughed out of an attorney's office when they ask about contingency, if they even got past the screening phone call. One of the problems I have with phrasing things in terms of "privilege" is that it makes it sound like you didn't get it as bad as you could have, so maybe you shouldn't be so angry at your specific situation. Don't slump into that.

> ...and I acknowledge that my somewhat passive attitude in response is itself a coping mechanism.

That was my point, and my comment was actually passive as well. You're pointing at the abstract concept of a spirit and saying theirs is worse off for it. A traditional religion might assert they're going to burn in hell. I'm focusing on actions in the concrete world, and since straightforward justice is (most likely) prevented, saying we can only hope they eventually receive corporeal comeuppance in some other way. They're all ways of setting aside the incongruity, so we can get over the fact that you (et al) were unjustly attacked, and get on with other things.

> Nevertheless, I think that for compassion and peace to become the true orders of the day in the information age, we must never lose track of our empathy for the agents of our oppression.

I'm a bit out of it in a few ways to fully grok this statement, but I feel like my problem with it is that the oppressive system is driven by energy (in fact, our energy - it's a parasite that benefits from the oppression), so all the understanding in the world will not stop it from continuing to exist (cf all those ambivalent poor people working for it so they can eat). Therefore, peace can only be obtained by a counterbalancing force pushing back.

[0] Although I personally feel that taking the opportunity to give them shit undermines the do-gooder propaganda they're subject to, and helps to increase the cost of running the system.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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> wow I am really surprised this was triggered by cryptocurrency. this is terribly authoritarian and disappointing. It is authoritarian and disappointing, but to me unsurprising. The cryptocurrency world associates pretty hard with drug trafficking. Coupling that with someone choosing a train over what might be an easier flight could be read as avoiding TSA. The low security of Amtrak likely makes it a common smuggli…

I would be surprised if even 0.1% of drug trafficking is done with cryptocurrency. The big banks have been caught red handed doing industrial scale money laundering for cartels and producers.

I would be very similarly surprised! And indeed, big banks have been and are very guilty of aiding and abetting.

Yet, I would also be very surprised if the percent of actual cryptocurrency usage that is legitimate even begins to rival that of typical currencies. And I may have missed the connection, but I fear I do not see how the illegal behavior of several large banks bears on the use of cryptocurrencies in narcotic markets.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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As a regular rider of Germany's night trains: what's the problem with eating in a roomette (sleeper car cabin)? First of all I already hate it when the cabin mates see me totally groggy - much less a whole fucking dining car. In addition, no dining car can fit as many people as there fit in a single sleeper car, much less a whole train composed of 10-15 sleeper cars.

DB doesn't operate night trains since 2016.

The ÖBB has taken them over - including the cars themselves.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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I take it from chicago to kansas city couple of times a year and I see lots of Amish people on the train. Seems like a good option for people who can't take the plane. I would have never spoken to the amish if not for amtrak.

My knowledge of the Amish is obviously rather slim but why can't they take a plane but can take the bus? I know I that they shun most modern technology suite h as cars etc but I would have thought if they can't take a plane that they also wouldn't be able to take the train.

From what I gathered they live in communities spread across a small area of the state. They get on and get down at small towns that amtrak makes a stop, those towns are not served by airplanes. Not sure about technology thing though, never felt comfortable asking them about that :D.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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The government used it in Eminent domain power to acquire the land (which if owned was paid for). The interstate system was built by the government, so it’s a totally different situation as the railroads built and maintain the track Amtrack is using.

I guess that then the solution is obvious.

I'm not sure what is obvious. The government pays rent on something it didn't build. Cargo is vital to so many sectors of the economy, and passenger trains are not.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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The government used it in Eminent domain power to acquire the land (which if owned was paid for). The interstate system was built by the government, so it’s a totally different situation as the railroads built and maintain the track Amtrack is using.

I guess that then the solution is obvious.

It doesn’t seem like a good use of eminent domain to build a slower and less capable transportation network when airline service is already ubiquitous. “I prefer to spend more for a slower journey because I like trains” is a weak justification for the use of such an invasive power.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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It's not obviously insane compared to driving. It's a 4200 mile trip, basically the length of Europe and back. That's a minimum of 6 days of driving, ~$400 in gas, 5 nights in hotels during the trip (at least another $500), plus meals (three fast-food meals per day could be ~$200). Obviously you can economize on any of these at some cost to your comfort and sanity. But because you can read a book on the train, or pla…

Driving is not the alternative for me. Flying is. Chicago to Portland is a 2.5 hour flight for $180-200 round trip, make it 4 if you factor in transportation and security. That's why it's insane. Trains should be competing with flying. Given the choice between a stressful, polluting airplane and an environmentally friendly electric bullet train with meals, legroom and cheap overnight cabins, I would choose the latter…

Correction: 4.5 hours, not 2.5 hours.

Re: Want airline food? Take Amtrak

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At least one more

Is there/would y'all be interested in a mini HN reader meetup? Perhaps over beer in Hood River? I settled in White Salmon late last year due to its proximity to outdoor activities without knowing too much about the area. I'm surprised there's an underlying tech scene. I guess primarily due of Insitu?

Sure, I'm up for it
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