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Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by wst_ »

dag11 wrote: post #64
wst_ wrote: post #49

Is swearing, especially saying "fuck you", usual way to congratulate someone in US?

Yep! I'm the same age as her, and this is how we all speak to each other immediately upon earning/winning/receiving something incredible. It's from a place of love, but only works with friends and close acquaintances.

Sorry to hear that. Must be a cultural gap, but I can't find any justification to swear happily in random conversation - friend or not. Not to mention the one that conveys congratulations. If being close with someone is the explanation then, well, I really don't know what to say. There are so many words that could be used instead...

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by pavel_lishin »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #45
lostlogin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. New Zealand’s semi national paper prints unattributed reddit comments on a regular basis. It’s grim.

Da fuck? What am I spending all that time on reddit for then? But seriously, I am actually an award winning writer (and it's not even my profession, it's just a hobby) and I do comment on reddit a lot... they're stealing comments without attribution? Ethics aside, that's just terrible journalism to say the least.

> Da fuck? What am I spending all that time on reddit for then?

Whenever I see youtube clips on evening news, my thought is the exact opposite - why am I bothering to watch this, when I can just head over to YouTube and catch it without a pair of talking heads doing their own version of a Reaction Video about it?

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by tnzn »

talltimtom wrote: post #22
mcherm wrote: post #5

Much of the credit goes to The Cincinnati Enquirer for having the ethics to include interns on the byline. As they should, but not everyone would do so.

Honestly why should they? The Interns did exactly what they were told, the went and jotted down details. Is that Pulitzer Prize worthy work? Does the helper who whipes Einstein’s blackboard during the break deserve partial credit for what he put on it? I get that it’s a fun story but it honestly just seems redicules.

Yeah, the helper who wipes Einstein's blackboard should get some credit as well. Today's researchers can't do research properly (in France) because they spend most of their time doing admin and manual stuff since the government decided all those jobs were useless. Looking down on those that work in the shadows isn't surprising but still. That's why a guy from CNRS rejected the bonus he was offered for getting a EU research grant as he considered it was unfair for the rest of the lab workers who played an important part in him getting the grant.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by noir_lord »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #45
lostlogin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. New Zealand’s semi national paper prints unattributed reddit comments on a regular basis. It’s grim.

Da fuck? What am I spending all that time on reddit for then? But seriously, I am actually an award winning writer (and it's not even my profession, it's just a hobby) and I do comment on reddit a lot... they're stealing comments without attribution? Ethics aside, that's just terrible journalism to say the least.

I got quoted in international business times, which struck me as funny.

http://www.ibtimes.com/hackers-warn-about-future-threats-how...

That comment was from Reddit.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by tonysdg »

jacquesm wrote: post #39
pgrote wrote: post #7

This is the series: https://www.cincinnati.com/pages/interactives/seven-days-of-... It is a tremendous work of crafting mixed media.

That's so painful to read. I wouldn't know any of those people because they live half a world away, however I know many examples nearby. Just one excerpt: "Elliana, who turns eight months old today, is here for a checkup at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center. She’s a patient at a special clinic that treats babies for neonatal abstinence syndrome, which occurs when babies are born to mothers addicted to her…

Follow-up story: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/12/16/seven-days-...

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by cabaalis »

wst_ wrote: post #91
dag11 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep! I'm the same age as her, and this is how we all speak to each other immediately upon earning/winning/receiving something incredible. It's from a place of love, but only works with friends and close acquaintances.

Sorry to hear that. Must be a cultural gap, but I can't find any justification to swear happily in random conversation - friend or not. Not to mention the one that conveys congratulations. If being close with someone is the explanation then, well, I really don't know what to say. There are so many words that could be used instead...

I feel the same as you, and I think it's worth thinking about. At the risk of sounding very "get off my lawn"-ish (I'm only early 30s!) I think it's related to the fact that our lives are now giant public soap operas being played out in social media for everyone to see. So the swearing at a person in congratulations is telling that how an envious external audience member would feel about their accomplishment, while the person you are swearing at takes absolutely no offense and is very complimented.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by ConcernedCoder »

I only made it about 1/2 way through the story, it's so awful I had to just close it and look away... I can't believe this is really happening right now in America, what can possibly be done to help people, that for the most part, don't want to be helped?

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by abritinthebay »

philliphaydon wrote: post #9
Waterluvian wrote: post #6

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This is exactly it. This was clearly a team effort. Like 60 people won the same Pulitzer. But it's quite clear that even as an intern, this individual's contributions were very important . I love team awards.

Team awards don’t seem to exist for the advertising industry even tho its a team effort to do the work to win them.

The Clio Awards do (source: I won one as part of the Media Lab team at Bleacher Report).

They credit the team but specifically name the individual members as well.

The Clios are pretty big as industry awards go.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by jacquesm »

tonysdg wrote: post #95
jacquesm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so painful to read. I wouldn't know any of those people because they live half a world away, however I know many examples nearby. Just one excerpt: "Elliana, who turns eight months old today, is here for a checkup at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center. She’s a patient at a special clinic that treats babies for neonatal abstinence syndrome, which occurs when babies are born to mothers addicted to her…

Follow-up story: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/12/16/seven-days-...

Those parents are pretty amazing. To see their daughter go down that line and then to step up to the place and do it all over again in their old age.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by Kalium »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #27
toomanybeersies wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of reporting is becoming an endangered species. It requires a lot of man-hours, and isn't as profitable as the minimal effort required to regurgitate whatever the latest sensational scandal is.

I love how even a story about excellent journalism can be turned into an insult of the profession at large. As far as I can tell, there is an avalanche (that’s a reference) of excellent, deeply reported stories, making good use of technology, on important subjects both titilating and not. Just go through the other award winners, or the webby award nominees in the relevant categories.

> I love how even a story about excellent journalism can be turned into an insult of the profession at large.

I understand why you feel that way. It's clearly a broadside, aimed squarely at where journalism comes from. Where else can that be but professional journalists?

Yet, is it perhaps possible that the comment to which you have taken exception might also be understood by some to be one in the direction of the business models that suppport, fund, and direct professional journalists?

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