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A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by fma »

SwellJoe wrote: post #37
jacquesm wrote: post #23

Journalism - real journalism, not blogging - matters. I've been thinking of buying a newspaper subscription again because I feel that even though newspapers typically lag 24 hours or so behind what you can read online someone needs to keep these people employed so they can do there very necessary jobs. I don't think it is possible to have anything resembling a democracy in the modern age without a free press.

I started feeling that way a couple of years ago, and currently have three online newspaper subscriptions, two national and one local. I mostly end up getting to those stories from Twitter links (or from facebook for stories in the local paper), rather than the front page of the paper, but real journalism is absolutely vital to a functioning democracy (and ours is in a dangerous place right now), so I want to contrib…

NY Times and Washington Post were breaking a lot of important stories. I decided to subscribe to NY Times - because Washington Post has the backing of billionaire Jeff Bezos. I felt NY Times needed the $10 a month from me more.

I really wanted to get paper delivery, but the price was just too high. Also it would probably be unrealistic that I actually read the paper - as I do most of my reading when I have a few idle minutes.

A few years ago I subscribed to The Economist...you can find it at a good price on slickdeals once in a while. Their articles were highly indepth and provided a good international perspective...even in magazine format I couldn't read even half of the content.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by franciscop »

Not even comparable, but one of the most incredible moments in my life was while I was studying at university. I joined a NASA competition with a friend and we worked really hard to win, and so we did.

The next morning in class, as I went through the door, my classmates stood up and started cheering and clapping at me. I had some sort of happiness brain meltdown where I didn't even know how to react. From that moment, students I didn't know from all majors stopped me at the campus cafeteria and hallways to ask me about it.

I think being recognized by your peers in this way gives a different kind of perspective/feeling that I had never felt before.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by jccalhoun »

Tagore wrote: post #43

Interestingly it is very difficult to figure out what the story she reported on is about given all the hoopla around a Latina winning the Pulitzer.

Did they change the link? There are like 5 paragraphs about the story in the article I just read.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by macintux »

sneak wrote: post #32

They should have gone upstairs and pulled her out of class beforehand and demanded she sit in the announcement proceedings.

I'd wager that the intersection of the sets of people who knew they were going to win the Pulitzer and the people who knew she was anywhere near the event was entirely empty.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by SwellJoe »

fma wrote: post #71
SwellJoe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started feeling that way a couple of years ago, and currently have three online newspaper subscriptions, two national and one local. I mostly end up getting to those stories from Twitter links (or from facebook for stories in the local paper), rather than the front page of the paper, but real journalism is absolutely vital to a functioning democracy (and ours is in a dangerous place right now), so I want to contrib…

NY Times and Washington Post were breaking a lot of important stories. I decided to subscribe to NY Times - because Washington Post has the backing of billionaire Jeff Bezos. I felt NY Times needed the $10 a month from me more. I really wanted to get paper delivery, but the price was just too high. Also it would probably be unrealistic that I actually read the paper - as I do most of my reading when I have a few idle…

NYTimes is my other national subscription...but I didn't mention them because I'm a bit more ambivalent about them. I'm uncomfortable with how eager they've been to support war; not just the Iraq war, when they published a number of falsehoods that helped sell the war, but more recently as well (even while publishing a bunch of "mea culpa" articles about their role in selling the falsehoods that led to the Iraq war). The Times seemingly never met a foreign war they didn't like.

They also have a history of compromising the integrity of their stories or editorial pages to suit the government (e.g. WRT the Snowden leaks, and war coverage) or corporations (e.g. on climate change). I still think they're a top-tier organization in the field, certainly above 99% of everything else out there, I just wish I could trust them more. That they're great 99 times out of 100 doesn't mean it's not really frustrating when their rare fuck ups are so monumental and occasionally disastrous in their outcome (Iraq war, President Trump; NYTimes didn't cause either problem, but they helped).

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by chris_wot »

Tagore wrote: post #68
philosopher1234 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She seems worthy of being added to the byline, but I don't think its right for you to be so dismissive of OP's point. GP wrote a statement that sounds like "interns should be added to the byline for pulitzer prizes." The way its written sounds like a general statement. In reality, I'm not sure this is a reasonable expectation (as in, the word "should" seems inappropriate.) We should consider what makes someones work…

It's an interesting award. Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer for denying the holodomor, and he was awarded a Pulitzer for his work, a Pulitzer that the Times has yet to address. The reality that Duranty denied was comparable to the holocaust. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people died and the Times apologized for it.

God, that's awful. They said that they won't withdraw it because he didn't deliberately attempt to deceive anyone... that is their standard?

https://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-statement-about-1932-pu...

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by shubb »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #48
IAmEveryone wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how even a story about excellent journalism can be turned into an insult of the profession at large. As far as I can tell, there is an avalanche (that’s a reference) of excellent, deeply reported stories, making good use of technology, on important subjects both titilating and not. Just go through the other award winners, or the webby award nominees in the relevant categories.

Maybe it's just me but I didn't read the comment that way. I'm sure everyone in the business would prefer to do that kind of deep reporting, but the economy of the business just doesn't reward that. It's a real problem but I don't think anyone is blaming the journalists. If anything, the ones to blame are the people reading the scandalous stories. I'm certainly not perfect, but I'm increasingly good at ignoring click…

I think the ways people find news on the net are also to blame.

I knew someone who worked for a company that monitored newswires and other media all day watching for breaking stories. They then rewrote them in an SEO or viral friendly way, propagated them through social media using bots or an influencer network. By being the first to publish something that ranked on news aggregators, they could pull in views and get ad money.

If the story was from a subscription newswire I guess this is okay. If you are writing a story reporting someone else reported a story you are kinda stealing revenue from the people who did the hunting.

But whoever does that will win, and writing a story that will spread then getting it to the aggregators is a skill.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by falkenb0t »

jacquesm wrote: post #39
pgrote wrote: post #7

This is the series: https://www.cincinnati.com/pages/interactives/seven-days-of-... It is a tremendous work of crafting mixed media.

That's so painful to read. I wouldn't know any of those people because they live half a world away, however I know many examples nearby. Just one excerpt: "Elliana, who turns eight months old today, is here for a checkup at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center. She’s a patient at a special clinic that treats babies for neonatal abstinence syndrome, which occurs when babies are born to mothers addicted to her…

wow, that really does hurt to read.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by kabacha »

jrockway wrote: post #28
aggie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play devil's advocate, an intern with a Pulitzer (or similarly prestigious award) on their resume is going to have a lot of job opportunities.

An intern whose work won the Pulitzer but wasn't listed on the byline is probably not going to want to work for you again, for fear of that happening again. It goes both ways.

Unfortunately it's accepted in the industry not to get bilines while you're an internet or a new guy, so I'm sure interns don't have any expectations because of this culture.

Re: A journalism student who found out she won a Pulitzer in class

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Post by sundvor »

kabacha wrote: post #79
jrockway wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An intern whose work won the Pulitzer but wasn't listed on the byline is probably not going to want to work for you again, for fear of that happening again. It goes both ways.

Unfortunately it's accepted in the industry not to get bilines while you're an internet or a new guy, so I'm sure interns don't have any expectations because of this culture.

> an internet

I realise it's probably auto correct, yet that's still so out of http://n-gate.com :)

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