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Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by jessaustin »

mankash666 wrote: post #3
m52go wrote: post #2

If you want full control, you've got to be in full control. But you can't do that if you delegate that control to a third party. That's the whole point of bitcoin. Instead of complaining, WikiLeaks can set up their own payment processing server and do away with Coinbase altogether. Can't do that with a bank account!

Or they can stop colluding with Russia under the pretext of freedom

It's just so sad that you aren't going to get your war in Syria! This discussion is a microcosm of why: Wikileaks simply releases items of interest, while their competitors in the official Western media have to always worry about whether their reporting contributes to More War Always. Thus despite all the braying about Wikileaks' motives, the average thinking human automatically believes them more than the "Russia is teh devil" media firms.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by said »

acdha wrote: post #37
sneak wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“hostile intelligence service” here being used as a euphemism for “a journalist publishing secrets we don’t want published”.

Wikileaks are not journalists and they do not follow e.g. journalistic ethics. They've done unprofessional things like posting anti-semitic statements[1] and bizarre things like doxing most of the women in Turkey[2] or posting sensitive information about people who've been victims of rape, suffer from mental illnesses, or are gay in countries where that's a big risk. That's all politically neutral and completely outs…

If we define a set of criteria by which that tweet can be deemed “antisemitic”, then applying that same criteria to comments about white people made by countless progressive-minded journalists would deem those journalists fanatically anti-white.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by IncRnd »

acdha wrote: post #37
sneak wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“hostile intelligence service” here being used as a euphemism for “a journalist publishing secrets we don’t want published”.

Wikileaks are not journalists and they do not follow e.g. journalistic ethics. They've done unprofessional things like posting anti-semitic statements[1] and bizarre things like doxing most of the women in Turkey[2] or posting sensitive information about people who've been victims of rape, suffer from mental illnesses, or are gay in countries where that's a big risk. That's all politically neutral and completely outs…

I read through your first link, and I don't see how I could take it seriously. Here is a link to the original tweet from Wikileaks, as shown on archive.is. https://archive.is/5g8LF

The link you posted to slate relies upon ((( and ))) around people's names being some nefarious anti-jew meaning. When, in reality, this was the actual tweet: "Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers? Most of our critics have 3 (((brackets around their names))) & have black-rim glasses. Bizarre."

Relying upon that sort of cruft just isn't convincing.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by pokemongoaway »

Exchanges like Coinbase are going to continue to lock themselves down. Then regulators are going to get into bed with their favorite companies. Then They're going to make love and use tax dollars to send guns to the exchanges that do not meet "sane requirements."

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by rspeer »

IncRnd wrote: post #53
acdha wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks are not journalists and they do not follow e.g. journalistic ethics. They've done unprofessional things like posting anti-semitic statements[1] and bizarre things like doxing most of the women in Turkey[2] or posting sensitive information about people who've been victims of rape, suffer from mental illnesses, or are gay in countries where that's a big risk. That's all politically neutral and completely outs…

I read through your first link, and I don't see how I could take it seriously. Here is a link to the original tweet from Wikileaks, as shown on archive.is. https://archive.is/5g8LF The link you posted to slate relies upon ((( and ))) around people's names being some nefarious anti-jew meaning. When, in reality, this was the actual tweet: "Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers? Most of our critics have 3 (((brac…

Oh my god, you can't possibly be that sheltered.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by IncRnd »

jamespo wrote: post #27
fareesh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

Indeed, just a coincidence since http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/11/01/russias-fsb-to-wikileaks... wikileaks hasn't posted anything meaningful about Russia

Pretty sure that wikileaks has disclosed information on Russia. Your link was from 2010, eight years ago.

https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by IncRnd »

rspeer wrote: post #55
IncRnd wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read through your first link, and I don't see how I could take it seriously. Here is a link to the original tweet from Wikileaks, as shown on archive.is. https://archive.is/5g8LF The link you posted to slate relies upon ((( and ))) around people's names being some nefarious anti-jew meaning. When, in reality, this was the actual tweet: "Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers? Most of our critics have 3 (((brac…

Oh my god, you can't possibly be that sheltered.

I must hang with a different crowd that doesn't add a specific # of parentheses to send dog-whistle messages. You should ask yourself, was the tweet wrong? Did the people who it referenced all have their names surrounded by ((( and )))? That would in fact be bizarre.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by rspeer »

IncRnd wrote: post #57
rspeer wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my god, you can't possibly be that sheltered.

I must hang with a different crowd that doesn't add a specific # of parentheses to send dog-whistle messages. You should ask yourself, was the tweet wrong? Did the people who it referenced all have their names surrounded by ((( and )))? That would in fact be bizarre.

Let me spell it out for you. It's fine to be unaware of a particular trend, but it's not fine to continue to be unaware and to disbelieve it when you read an article that directly points it out.

* Neo-Nazis invented the "echoes" meme, where when saying the name of a Jewish person in a podcast they would add a sinister echo effect, or in text they would add three parentheses around it.

* Jewish people and others on Twitter reclaimed the parentheses in a positive sense.

* WikiLeaks is referring to the fact that people that complain about them are Jewish, not a random bizarre coincidence about punctuation.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by culot »

darawk wrote: post #28
fareesh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

> This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence. What? There's plenty of evidence. Wikileaks consistently published information damaging to Hillary Clinton in the run-up to the election, and published zero information damaging to Trump.

Obviously they should have withheld their timely and important trove of Clinton's wrongdoing until they had roughly an equal amount of material on her primary political opponent. That seems totally reasonable.

Re: Coinbase blocks WikiLeaks Shop

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Post by belorn »

wybiral wrote: post #44
fareesh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Satan himself proved he was real and aided Wikileaks by publishing true information, I'd be all for it. What's being suggested is that they selectively publish true information by not publishing certain things that don't suit a particular agenda. This accusation is being asserted without evidence, and can therefore be dismissed without evidence.

But it's still important to be aware of the bias in a source. Supposed I'm biased against you and I report that you hacked into Bob's computer and I have evidence to prove it. I paint that to make you look like some kind of cyber villain and neglect to report the important fact that Bob asked you to do it. If the reader knows about my bias towards you then they know to take my reporting with a grain of salt because e…

you mean like this map (http://wilkins.law.harvard.edu/projects/2017-08_mediacloud/G...) created by a harvard study?

You are right of course, it is important to know the bias of sources which is why so many fact checking sites popped up after 2016. Before then I would always go wikipedia for unbiased information. Sadly we live in a time where the majority of news papers has a clear and sometimes publicly stated political leaning and bias. Often this can be traced through ownership since many are now owned by the same entity.

If the emails and documents was leaked today then hopefully fact checking sites would be all over it and pulling it apart regardless who originally published them. I do recall a few people were looking at checksum and correlate statements to previously public information, but nothing news worthy came out of that.

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