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Ask HN: Would you donate directly to poor Kenyans?

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Hi, all. After seeing the work of GiveDirectly (https://www.givedirectly.org), I started playing around with getting in touch directly with poor Kenyans and, thanks to the magic of Olx (basically the international Craigslist), WhatsApp, and M-PESA (Kenya's electronic money transfer system), I've managed to find and send money to a number of needy individuals.

While I haven't been able to reach the very poorest Kenyans, I've been able to reach Kenyans living on $100-$300/month, and sending them small amounts of money (low hundreds of dollars) has been absolutely life changing for them. Moreover, I've formed some really amazing and perspective-altering relationships. And it's injected a lot of meaning into my life to, say, send the single-mother $300 a month, so she can "live very comfortably" (her words) by renting a single room on a dirt road for her and her daughter.

So, would anyone of you be interesting in doing something similar? There's tons of obstacles here (not the least of which is protecting the recipients from abusive relationships) but, putting that aside, is this something you could see yourself doing?

Thanks so much!

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That's really interesting! I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind.

1) How do you make sure you're not getting scammed? I mean you probably can't really get scammed in the literal sense, because you'd still be helping out a poor person somewhere (just maybe a 20-something year old guy in Nigeria rather than a single mom in Kenya).

2) Was it difficult to sign up for M-Pesa (and top it up with credit) given that you're not in Africa?

3) Why did you decide to give directly, rather than support, say, a charity that builds schools for girls in Kenya? A friend of mine is paying the college tuition for a student in Nigeria (wired directly to the University), which I think is great, as the recipient is less likely to see it as a 'handout', but rather as an investment into their future.

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Last week I got scammed by some guy that came to my door asking for money so he can have a hand surgery, he showed me his hand which was severly disformed and I got sentimental and gave him some spara change (a few bucks), which considering I'm a student still hurts my tight budget a bit. Anyhow I felt good giving him the money, because I thought it might help him if even just a bit. Turns out he got arrested for being a scammer the next day, I recognized his face in the local news article. The takeaway lesson from that was that if I were ever in a position to help people out, I'd do so only through legal chanells and organizations that have proved themselves to actually give something meanigful for the people in need.

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That's really interesting! I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind. 1) How do you make sure you're not getting scammed? I mean you probably can't really get scammed in the literal sense, because you'd still be helping out a poor person somewhere (just maybe a 20-something year old guy in Nigeria rather than a single mom in Kenya). 2) Was it difficult to sign up for M-Pesa (and top it up with credit) given tha…

Hi and thanks for the questions.

1. To be clear, I'm not advertising on Olx saying I'm giving away money, so I don't have adverse selection to deal with. Rather I use to the "Seeking Work" section to proactively reach out to individuals that seem like they might be in need. And when I do reach out, I don't just open with "Do you need help? Can I give you some money?" Rather I try to build rapport and develop a real relationship. Most of the people I contact are just excited about talking to an American even before money enters the picture.

So I think the remaining risk isn't that the person isn't who they say they are but that they'd exaggerate their circumstances to get more money from me. The way I counter that is by developing a real relationship with the recipients. I talk to most of them on a daily basis. See pictures of their house and children. Get their whole backstory. And, in general, just end up with enough collateral documentation about their lives that it'd be hard to fake.

And, in fact, it's these relationships that are the most rewarding part of the whole thing. You're not just helping an abstract stranger. You're helping a very real person that's become a part of your life. My first recipients, the single mom, has become something of a sister.

2. I don't use M-PESA directly. Rather I use WorldRemit (https://www.worldremit.com), which connects to M-PESA, to send the money. Other than the occasionally delay, it's a pretty seamless experience. When you factor in the poor exchange rate you get, the cost of sending money is about 1%.

3. Honestly, it's just more rewarding to give directly. I know keep saying this but to talk to the recipients and see how grateful they are and how life changing the money is just an amazing experience. And it's motivating. I want to keep giving and find ways to give more.

As for the handout question. None of my recipients seem to attach any stigma to receiving the money and none of them treat it as a handout. They all keep working in one way or another and most use the funds to start a business of some sort.

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What's the problem with GiveDirectly.org? How likely is that the poorest have internet access?

There's absolutely no problem with GiveDirectly, and, if you want the most impact for your dollar, absolutely give to them. My approach has the benefit of being much more tangible. I'm helping people I've gotten to know and become friends with. I keep saying this, but it's truly an amazing and perspective altering experience. You don't realize just how much we all have in the West compared to even middle-class person in Kenya.

And while cellphone penetration in Africa is pretty astounding, the poorest might not have reliable electricity let alone a smartphone. I'm under no illusions that I've reaching the poorest Kenyans. But the people I'm reaching are definitely in need, and I feel good helping them.

I'm not saying this is an alternative to GiveDirectly, but I think it's an interesting approach that has some unique benefits.

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Last week I got scammed by some guy that came to my door asking for money so he can have a hand surgery, he showed me his hand which was severly disformed and I got sentimental and gave him some spara change (a few bucks), which considering I'm a student still hurts my tight budget a bit. Anyhow I felt good giving him the money, because I thought it might help him if even just a bit. Turns out he got arrested for bei…

Sorry to hear that. Sadly, things like this can happen. It seems like a lot of that comes from adverse selection, though. By helping those that ask you for help, you become a target for fraud. Instead, I seek individuals out by looking at the "Seeking Work" section of Olx, so it'd be pretty difficult for a scammer to actually target me.

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That's really interesting! I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind. 1) How do you make sure you're not getting scammed? I mean you probably can't really get scammed in the literal sense, because you'd still be helping out a poor person somewhere (just maybe a 20-something year old guy in Nigeria rather than a single mom in Kenya). 2) Was it difficult to sign up for M-Pesa (and top it up with credit) given tha…

Hi and thanks for the questions. 1. To be clear, I'm not advertising on Olx saying I'm giving away money, so I don't have adverse selection to deal with. Rather I use to the "Seeking Work" section to proactively reach out to individuals that seem like they might be in need. And when I do reach out, I don't just open with "Do you need help? Can I give you some money?" Rather I try to build rapport and develop a real r…

Sounds great, thanks for your response. I love your approach and will try this out myself.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi and thanks for the questions. 1. To be clear, I'm not advertising on Olx saying I'm giving away money, so I don't have adverse selection to deal with. Rather I use to the "Seeking Work" section to proactively reach out to individuals that seem like they might be in need. And when I do reach out, I don't just open with "Do you need help? Can I give you some money?" Rather I try to build rapport and develop a real r…

Sounds great, thanks for your response. I love your approach and will try this out myself.

Thanks! Hit me up if you have any questions. My email is in my profile.
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