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Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Psychedelics (LSD, shrooms) made me a better person.

I don’t know anyone who became less caring, less respectfull, more violent or more greedy after doing those drugs.

I would argue that psychedelics make you more human, in the good sense of the word.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Is you need drugs to become more open minded and empathetic, the source of the problem is your upbringing, and by proxy the culture. The contemporary liberal western culture actively works towards shaping us into selfish materialistic consumerist narrow minded soulless beings. Half a trillion dollars per year go towards this effort, and the solution is start drugging ourselves with LSD? Bet, if that ever became commo…

I agree with everything you’ve said from the consumerism perspective, but there’s something to be said for just... exploring the ‘other’ regardless of upbringing. People from cultures completely detached from capitalism have been altering their experiences with psychedelics forever, and I dare say many of them have come away feeling like better people as a result.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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Is you need drugs to become more open minded and empathetic, the source of the problem is your upbringing, and by proxy the culture. The contemporary liberal western culture actively works towards shaping us into selfish materialistic consumerist narrow minded soulless beings. Half a trillion dollars per year go towards this effort, and the solution is start drugging ourselves with LSD? Bet, if that ever became commo…

you're painting "drugs" with a broad brush

psychedelics are not like cocaine, despite what the 'gubbmunt' would like you to believe - rather they are like a window into your 'self' - if you think of psychedelics in terms of frequency, you might better understand the tremendous potential they hold with regard to a laundry list of ailments, including depression, PTSD, etc.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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If I hadn't taken LSD, I never would've started my recovery from alcohol. Nothing in my life is as valuable to me as my sobriety is and has been, and I don't see myself ever making the painstaking effort to get sober without that trip.

I don't want to turn this thread into a trip report, however I will share that my trip led my thoughts to my last actions, some bad decisions and some bad habits I had formed.

Real talk, I tripped my nuts off. Obviously.

But the real impact was during the several days after that, nothing seemed to be the same, every little detail seemed laced with a new tinge of awareness, and the drinking I was doing at the time suddenly revealed itself to me as incredibly dangerous and unhealthy.

Now, LSD didn't work my program for me. It didn't get me sober, it didn't stop my cravings, it didn't bring my family back or apologize to previous employers or pay my tickets or talk to my mentors or any of that. It's not a wonder drug by any means. I'm definitely no expert, but I think hailing lsd in particular could have bad consequences for certain people. A trip can go south sometimes if you're not meticulous and exerting some fortitude against your emotions during the trip.

Also, who says I'm a better person? That's a hard thing to measure. I've done a lot of awful things in my drunk past. Choosing better behavior doesn't make the consequences of those things go away. Understanding who you are and who you were doesn't magically wipe the slate clean for the old you. And that's humbling, to go back and clean up all those messes and face those people with the new knowledge and growth, but on behalf of the toxic person I was.

Anyways, LSD definitely changed my life for the better. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Honestly, most people would say I AM a better person now. But to claim that as the effect of LSD is crazy. For people just wanting to justify their psychedelic adventuring, give up on it. If you like to trip just for fun, just accept it and do it. Be glad you're not hurting yourself!

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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ctrl+f ego... no hits? I've never done a psychedelic other than a very spiritual moment with salvia divinorum, but I have read up on them extensively, (they are often touted to help with ptsd), and the one major common factor is their ego-busting nature.

Ego is a good thing in many ways, but due to societal and cultural strangeness, it is sometimes warped into overdrive (arrogance, etc) and sometimes too puny (low self-esteem, etc). Psychedelics seem like a path to showing you just how big... and small... you are in the universe.

That said, I have two warnings about this subject. First, I personally think synthetic psychedelics are potentially the most dangerous, which is why (especially after finding out it's CIA origins) I never intend to do LSD, for example. Second, these are things that my native-american brothers tell me must be done as a spiritual journey, and not as recreation. Those who approach these powerful things recreationally are the most likely to have bad trips.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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It's a pity that research on MDMA was stopped due to the drug war.

FYI, that research has resumed: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/opinion/ecstasy-ptsd.html There is also research being done on using mushrooms and ketamine to treat depression: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/13/magic-mushro... I think the attitudes people have towards recreational drugs are changing slowly, but they are changing. Sidenote: while MDMA is believed to have therapeutic potential, it's us…

even psychedelic can be a bit ambiguous. I prefer entheogen, personally.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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ctrl+f ego... no hits? I've never done a psychedelic other than a very spiritual moment with salvia divinorum, but I have read up on them extensively, (they are often touted to help with ptsd), and the one major common factor is their ego-busting nature. Ego is a good thing in many ways, but due to societal and cultural strangeness, it is sometimes warped into overdrive (arrogance, etc) and sometimes too puny (low se…

LSD doesn't have CIA origins, it's effects were discovered accidentally by Albert Hoffman. The CIA later commandeered research around LSD in order to look into how it could help train military personnel and also potentially be used as a weapon (while also stopping the research that was being done on its usefulness for therapy and creative problem solving).

LSD is indeed more potent than some naturally occuring psychedelic compounds such as psilocybin, although I'm curious why you believe that being synthetic makes it more dangerous?

Having a good setting and guide can also be very helpful as well in facilitating significant and net positive experiences.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

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post #21

Psychedelics (LSD, shrooms) made me a better person. I don’t know anyone who became less caring, less respectfull, more violent or more greedy after doing those drugs. I would argue that psychedelics make you more human, in the good sense of the word.

I hate to be that guy, but my best friend went off to UCS twenty years ago, and came back a different person.

Every summer he would come home, and tell me his drug exploits. All psychedelics experiences.

Every summer he was more defensive, and less caring.

And the long hubristic speeches. I gave him a wide birth until he started to deconstruct me. That I wasen't going to take. We stayed friends, but god I wish he didn't experiment so much.

He recently tried to get in touch with me, but I remember those verbal jabs, and contemplating wether I should contact him.

I grew up with him, and hated the changes. I can't prove it was drugs, but just gave a weird feeling his changes were due to the shrooms, lsd.

That said, he's much more classically successful than myself. He has always had jobs he loves.

He's a good looking guy, but no females stuck around, and I understood their complaints. I never told him though.

I on the other hand, I went to school, didn't do any drugs, worked hard in school, and side jobs; and had a nervous breakdown.

My life has been a trail of anxiety, and depression ever since. I've self medicated with alcolhol. In a weird way, alcohol is the only drug that made me normal. I learned early on not to abuse it though. Just use it when the anxiety was horrid. (Yea--I'm on a cocktail of psychotropic psychiatric medications. Medication I'm trying to get down to very low doses because I can't go through the process of procuring them, when my doctor retires. It's a game, and it's tiring. The mandatoty rediculious office visits, and refills going unfilled. Ugh!

I don't know what my point is other than do everything in moderation.

I'm not the personality type to do any psychedelics, but the micro doses seems like the prudent way of experimenting. I don't know why anyone would risk perment brain changes with large doses of anything.

Re: Can psychedelics make you a better person?

#30

ctrl+f ego... no hits? I've never done a psychedelic other than a very spiritual moment with salvia divinorum, but I have read up on them extensively, (they are often touted to help with ptsd), and the one major common factor is their ego-busting nature. Ego is a good thing in many ways, but due to societal and cultural strangeness, it is sometimes warped into overdrive (arrogance, etc) and sometimes too puny (low se…

>Those who approach these powerful things recreationally are the most likely to have bad trips.

I only take LSD recreationally and I don't have bad trips. Maybe don't comment on psychs when you clearly have almost zero experience.

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