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Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Is it a practical issue where you are? In France I can't remember the last time I've had issues with undelivered text messages and I use them quite a lot (I generally use the cheapest plan I can find which usually doesn't contain data, so I default to texts). For important messages I'll expect an explicit confirmation anyway, it's not enough that the message reaches the recipient's phone, they also have to read it! M…

If you've had a long running group chat over MMS, ask to see everyone else's phones. Messages will be in a different order on every phone and there will be many missing messages. My wife and I do this regularly because we won't understand something said and we'll see one of us didn't get a message from the group.

It's 2018 and I learn that there's MMS group chat o_O

-- a guy who used SMS and then had 90% of friends being reachable via IRC and email, and SMS for the rest - before entering the world of smartphones.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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> WhatsApp benefitted from being a first mover — all the other early leaders in Western markets are nowhere to be seen today Has Signal ever released numbers on active users? My anecdata on this is that ALL of my friends use Signal--and not because I use it or because as their tech-savvy friend I told them they should use it. I just started seeing them show up in Signal over the last year. I get the feeling that Sign…

any chance most of your friends are males interested in IT?

though i was surprised or building manager and guy fixing my plumbing are on Signal, only two other people besides those i convinced and one three friends working in IT

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Head on over to Europe, and: > Ik steur je wel even een appje (I'll send you an message on WhatsApp) is the norm in The Netherlands. My entire family, extended family, and everyone around them is all on WhatsApp. While I communicate with iMessage/SMS with friends in the US, that's not the case outside of the US. Everyone seems to have WhatsApp, most people don't use Google hangouts or other services alongside that, l…

i am curious, where does it say "whatsapp" in dutch? you don't use international names?

The -je suffix in Dutch is commonly used and means 'small'. 'app' is used here as an alias for WhatsApp.

I'm also Dutch but I think 'app' is more like an alias for any chat service. WhatsApp is indeed huge though. Texting is basically dead in Europe afaict.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Head on over to Europe, and: > Ik steur je wel even een appje (I'll send you an message on WhatsApp) is the norm in The Netherlands. My entire family, extended family, and everyone around them is all on WhatsApp. While I communicate with iMessage/SMS with friends in the US, that's not the case outside of the US. Everyone seems to have WhatsApp, most people don't use Google hangouts or other services alongside that, l…

i am curious, where does it say "whatsapp" in dutch? you don't use international names?

"appje" is the diminuitive form of "app", which is a shortened form of "whatsapp" (referring to a whatsapp message).

In English, you would never shorten the phrase "I'll send you a whatsapp" to "I'll send you an app" because the word "app" would be confused with a mobile app.

The Dutch still use the word "app" to mean a mobile app; "appje" means a whatsapp. So the diminuitive form allows them to disambiguate.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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post #21

I don't see a single reason to invest myself into Google messaging product once again. I was adamant gtalk/hangout user but you can only fuck me over so many times.

To be fair, the migration from Talk to Hangouts was pretty smooth, and Hangouts still works. Google gave up pushing Hangouts for consumers but I don't think it's going anywhere, as it's a big part of G-suite for corporate customers. Though with Slack and Discord I'm sure it's usage isn't as strong as it once was.

> the migration from Talk to Hangouts was pretty smooth

So smooth that I lost access to hundreds of contacts that used a different, non-Google XMPP server.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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The carriers are idiots. It's where innovation goes to die. We had to pull them kicking and screaming into the smart phone and data era. (Remember When AT&T sent a paper copy of every image you downloaded on your iPhone in a bill?) Quite frankly the core problem with Google's strategy is involving then at all. Instead, go the manufacturers and campaign against supporting sms at all . It's insecure, slow, unreliable,…

Look. Its simple. Signal work on Android just like iMessage - you set it as SMS app, and it uses Signal messages with people who have Signal (even on iPhone) and SMS otherwise. We already have iMessage-style app on Android. It's just that pretty much nobody is using it.

Because no carrier installs Signal as the default messaging app.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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post #145

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Right. Embracing the open standards - like they did previously (e.g. with GTalk), and then suddenly..."oh look, we've improved the standard, and we're not publishing our extended version. It's so much greater, but only works with this one client, made by us - what a coincidence." Gee, I wonder where I saw this pattern before...nope, it's not like they're going to exterminate their Official Blessed Client once they ti…

Surely with that attitude they're damned if they do and damned if they don't? If they make their own standard it's bad, but if they adopt an industry standard they're probably going to ruin it , so that's also bad?

If they've embraced an industry standard previously, extended it and exterminated, multiple times before, surely it will be different this time.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Is iMessage XMPP like open protocol?

iMessage is XMPP isn't it (although a somewhat outdated version of the protocol)? It was the last time I checked, but I don't have a device capable of running it so that was a while ago. If it's not anymore I'd be curious to know what they replaced it with.

I did not know that. I thought it was a locked down messaging network on Apple devices could get on (plus some SMS). Does that mean another service speaking XMPP can exchange messages with an iMessage user?

Edit: According to Wikipedia, it's based on APNs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Please understand that the size of the population which uses this limited use case in my country is greater than multiple western countries' populations combined. I've been a developer for nearly 7 years and make a good amount of money in my country. Yet I've never touched an airplane. I'm telling this to point out the difference in living styles between the two zones of earth. All tech companies are rushing to captu…

Wow. That's surprising. I am from north India - based in Bangalore - and I fly almost every other month. Are you from a remote/small town or like tier 2-3 city? Freelancing maybe? As for the questions - it just got me curious.

250kms from Bangalore. Road is like 4 hrs journey and I live in HSR. So considering the journey to airport and everything road is cheaper and takes almost the same time.

Also flights are cheaper only nowadays. It used to be unreasonable.

Re: Google changes its messaging strategy again: Goodbye to Allo, double down on RCS

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Some of the people here are in a bubble. There are billions of people in the 3rd world countries who are now coming online and they will never have a GMail account in their life. But they will have a Facebook account and they will have Whatsapp. So many of my relatives started using internet after Jio made it so cheap and none of them use Hangouts, Allo, GMail to communicate. But everyone is on Whatsapp and everyone…

I am from a rural part of India and everybody has a Jio phone and everybody is on WhatsApp and Facebook. Most of them don't even know what is email and I don't know anyone who uses email or any other chat service other maybe Hike in rare cases. I was surprised since they already have Facebook and it would have required an email. I often get disapproving looks when they realise I am not on Facebook :)

Users can sign up on Facebook with phone number only. Most users in rural parts are signing up on Facebook through phone no. only.
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