What frequency band will 5G use?
No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
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Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then they should apply caps or throttling during hours when capacity is a concern and let me download 100 GB of games from Steam between 4 and 7 AM when the Netflix watchers have gone to bed.
That's a bit like how T-Mobile does it. You get 50GB/month that is always at full speed, and then after that you get deprioritized if you're on a busy tower. So it doesn't depend on time of day, but how many other customers are sharing your tower. https://www.t-mobile.com/customer/mydatausage.html > Data prioritization will only be noticeable when you access a congested tower and have used over 50GB of data in a part…
That's a very good deal. Is that a standard or expensive subscription?
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
That makes some sense. But "kicking people off" is a crappy answer. Especially since you are setting up a constant storm of users trying to reconnect. Easy to see how that will not play well with idle connections.
>Especially since you are setting up a constant storm of users trying to reconnect. The network isn't that dumb. The technical details are far beyond the scope of a HN comment, but the network can gracefully deny service to users. Think about what happens if you run out of data allowance or prepaid credit - your phone doesn't frantically spam the network, it just asks for service and is politely told to try again lat…
Right, that was why I was asking if someone had a good link to read on. :)
And, honestly, from the way I've seen phones behave on older wifi networks, I would be surprised if some aren't actually spamming the network. Unnecessarily fast. Worse, I would hope the network has some protection built in for the bad actors that do.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
The lower speed on 4G is mostly due to the number of devices on it. 5G will be no different in that way. At first, the few people with 5G devices and networks will have very fast speeds (mostly), but once everyone in 4G moves to 5G, we’re back to how it is today. I’m also curious what the effect of all the WiFi networks will have in regards to interference with 5G bands.
The point of the article isn't that 5G won't improve throughput, but that improvements of the existing LTE network will provide similar improvements. This is really a corporate squabblefest over branding, control of standards and intellectual property. There are misaligned incentives between IP holders like Qualcomm, equipment manufacturers and network operators. The networks want the 5G brand so they can sell the im…
European landline operators ARE the networks.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G? In a real world scenario, I would max out my data cap in 5 minutes.. Telcos will never give up their guaranteed profits by throttling speeds even with unlimited speed/capacity.
> I would max out my data cap in 5 minutes Counterargument: there are fundamental reasons for data caps. To provide service at a high speed to lots of people at a reasonable price, edge-case data users must be throttled. Increasing capacity reduces the number of users who must be throttled.
Counter - counter argument: data caps fundamentally help segment users and make more $$$ from those who value more data. This doesn’t directly relate to capping download rate.
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Growth on total users and downloads is far far greater than improved spectral capacity in 5G and hence more cells are needed to improve capacity. So costs not only to refresh, but to build more cells are significant.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a bit like how T-Mobile does it. You get 50GB/month that is always at full speed, and then after that you get deprioritized if you're on a busy tower. So it doesn't depend on time of day, but how many other customers are sharing your tower. https://www.t-mobile.com/customer/mydatausage.html > Data prioritization will only be noticeable when you access a congested tower and have used over 50GB of data in a part…
That's a very good deal. Is that a standard or expensive subscription?
It's their standard ONE plan: $70/month for 1 line, but much cheaper with more (for four lines its $160/month).
Tmobile does have some prepaid plans and older grandfathered plans, but the ONE plan is pretty good, especially at the multi-line rates.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then they should apply caps or throttling during hours when capacity is a concern and let me download 100 GB of games from Steam between 4 and 7 AM when the Netflix watchers have gone to bed.
That's a bit like how T-Mobile does it. You get 50GB/month that is always at full speed, and then after that you get deprioritized if you're on a busy tower. So it doesn't depend on time of day, but how many other customers are sharing your tower. https://www.t-mobile.com/customer/mydatausage.html > Data prioritization will only be noticeable when you access a congested tower and have used over 50GB of data in a part…
I'm on an old 5GB then throttled plan from T-mobile, the new ones sound pretty good if they didn't cost more than twice as much.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a very good deal. Is that a standard or expensive subscription?
It's their standard ONE plan: $70/month for 1 line, but much cheaper with more (for four lines its $160/month). Tmobile does have some prepaid plans and older grandfathered plans, but the ONE plan is pretty good, especially at the multi-line rates.
Any carriers do better pricing for a single line with high caps? $840/year on service for a single phone feels crazy to me.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#99> 5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos This is important for consumers. When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G? In real world scenarios, the number of people in a cell (due to limited spectrum bandwidth) limits 4G speeds, not protocol maximums. My understanding of 5G is that bandwidth can be used much more efficiently (both by being able to allocate less in idle…
> When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G?
Any time I'm not over the 5GB data limit on my plan, really. I can speed test and get values like 102 Mbps down / 35Mbps up on TMobile US, on an old device (iPhone 6). Newer devices have better radios/basebands that support fancier air interface features and thus get even faster speeds.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#100I've heard that 5G will be especially beneficial to rural areas, where it will have the bandwidth, speed, and coverage capability to replace broadband, DSL, and satellite. Can someone with industry knowledge confirm whether this is true?
I am ashamed of my country (America) that we as a nation, federally speaking, don't provide the funding needed to empower everyone in rural areas with high speed internet as a right. The Internet powers so many important things today and if we're talking about "thousands of dollars per household" it is totally doable.
We didn't have a landline in rural US until I was 14. We had point-to-point long distance maser and WISP by the time I was 21. If anyone wants it, they can get it, of they pay for it. If somebody doesn't want to pay for it, why should the despits of various people's urban states compel their denizens to do so?