No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE” • Hacker News Board

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by joezydeco » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:07 PM UTC

joecool1029 wrote: post #14

joezydeco wrote: post #2

5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos Or companies that want to break the residential broadband monopoly in a local area. Personally, I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town. 5G would be a complete success if that happens.

>Personally, I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town. Yeah... about that: https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/t-mobile-reiterates-...

Jan 2017, 10 months before the Layer3 acquisition. We'll see what happens.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:09 PM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #18

joezydeco wrote: post #2

5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos Or companies that want to break the residential broadband monopoly in a local area. Personally, I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town. 5G would be a complete success if that happens.

I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town Is Comcast really that bad? In my admittedly European experience all the service providers are (dis)functional and greedy pretty much to the same degree, none of them are good guys.

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Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by jeffreyrogers » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:09 PM UTC

Azerb wrote: post #6

joezydeco wrote: post #2

5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos Or companies that want to break the residential broadband monopoly in a local area. Personally, I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town. 5G would be a complete success if that happens.

This is the key. Look at the roadblocks Google Fiber has hit in their own fiber deployments, pivoting to wireless to bypass the resistance they're getting from incumbents.

I'm interested to see how this plays out. When I looked into it, it seemed hard to compete with wired broadband internet. I think wireless has the best chance in areas where people's only option is satellite or dial-up.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by godelski » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:11 PM UTC

This reminds me of when Verizon and Time Warner said their customers don't want gigabit internet.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by staplers » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:12 PM UTC

jupp0r wrote: post #12

> 5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos This is important for consumers. When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G? In real world scenarios, the number of people in a cell (due to limited spectrum bandwidth) limits 4G speeds, not protocol maximums. My understanding of 5G is that bandwidth can be used much more efficiently (both by being able to allocate less in idle…

  When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G?

In a real world scenario, I would max out my data cap in 5 minutes.. Telcos will never give up their guaranteed profits by throttling speeds even with unlimited speed/capacity.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:12 PM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #18

joezydeco wrote: post #2

5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos Or companies that want to break the residential broadband monopoly in a local area. Personally, I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town. 5G would be a complete success if that happens.

I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town Is Comcast really that bad? In my admittedly European experience all the service providers are (dis)functional and greedy pretty much to the same degree, none of them are good guys.

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Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by scarface74 » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:14 PM UTC

ec109685 wrote: post #23

jupp0r wrote: post #12

> 5G's main application around the world will be more capacity, a good thing for telcos This is important for consumers. When did you last get 100Mbit+ speeds with 4G? In real world scenarios, the number of people in a cell (due to limited spectrum bandwidth) limits 4G speeds, not protocol maximums. My understanding of 5G is that bandwidth can be used much more efficiently (both by being able to allocate less in idle…

Telecoms have the ability today to add more capacity by increasing tower density.

Yes but what happens when everyone at a stadium tries to get on the same tower?

But the fault doesn't completely lie with the telcos. Getting permission to build a tower can take years.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by geodel » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #39

godzillabrennus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comcast and Countrywide were in the running for the Consumerists 2008 worst company of the year. Countrywide won but had to help nuke the economy. Comcast had a real shot at winning for being such a malignant organization. The rebrand to Xfinity is a joke.

Why? Are they significantly more hated than any big co? Like Uber and Facebook received quite a lot of bad press lately. Is this just perception or are they really that bad/evil? TMO (yeah Austria, not US but still) were bragging about not hashing passwords on twitter just a couple of weeks ago. Not exactly professional.

Well good companies are one which write same CRUD apps Nth time. And then in few months/years they either shutdown or join forces with a bad company.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by godelski » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

zanny wrote: post #45

ec109685 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telecoms have the ability today to add more capacity by increasing tower density.

And societies have the ability to add more capacity by realizing by having privately owned radio spectrum the advancement and adoption of wireless data transfer has been stunted for decades. Everyone likes to argue that you can't have an all wireless society because there is limited bandwidth available, but as it is we are only using about 10% of the usable spectrum (from about 200MHZ to 8GHZ) for network data connec…

> There are a few things I could name off the top of my head that would overnight dramatically improve technology

Could you name a few? This is HN after all, we like to get technical.

Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”

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Post by tracker1 » Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 6:18 PM UTC

fredliu wrote: post #9

When "4G" was initially commercialized, one could have claimed it has No "Material Difference Between 3G and 4G". HSPA(+) was just faster 3G, already reaching lower end of 4G bandwidth requirement, minimally qualifiable as 4G. But has 4G/LTE eventually turned out to be "one generation" better than 3G? Hell yeah. Same thing here for 4G-5G transition. The real deal is when milimeter wave got massively deployed and comm…

Is the coverage/range and rate of speed at range much better for 5G vs. 4G/LTE? I don't think most people need (much) more speed over wireless so much as better/more coverage and better speed at lower signal.

Also, it's about relative cost... what about data caps? If they intend to compete with wired in home connections for things like set top (online streaming), they'll need a compelling story, and not running out of your allotment or being throttled after watching a couple 4K movies in the evening less than a week into your billing cycle.