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A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonprofit

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Re: A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonprofit

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To be clear a few AI researchers are making more than $1M, and the "even at a nonprofit" is referring to arguably the most famous AI shop out there. Source: work in AI.

what's your background and what is the general compensation of those around you?

Your artwork is great, the ink wash is amazing

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From what I've seen, away from the coasts between $70k - $100k. PhD adds about 25k-40k to the figure, depending on industry.

Yeah I make 100k and live in Los Angeles sometimes I can't eat food I work remote so my coworkers outside cifornia don't have it too bad. But despite 30 years of experience I'm hardly worth enough to this society to let me eat food or have a roof over my head. 100k is about average for LA but at one point I had a job that paid me only 45k with no benefits demanding I generate a sentiment analysis system I literally h…

Vote with your feet. You're worth more, relatively, than that.

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Funny -- I actually see that as the single most important factor distinguishing folks making $1MM and $100k. There are plenty of overpaid geniuses, but really even more underpaid geniuses.

I am not in agreement- while I’m sure there are a few, there’s quite likely more people who believe themselves to be underpaid geniuses. The overpaid genius, at the very least, has a preponderance of evidence that he understood all the math he’s using and has evidence he can innovate with it rather than regurgitating code (maybe that’s slightly too lenient)

> The overpaid genius, at the very least, has a preponderance of evidence that he understood all the math he’s using and has evidence he can innovate with it rather than regurgitating code (maybe that’s slightly too lenient)

This assumes a separating equilibrium. There is one, of course, but it's biased against genius. Businesses don't want to overpay. Not should they. People don't negotiate their salaries. They should.

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More importantly, why did I bother to finish grad school?

To not have situations like I did. I've almost done my masters - I finished all the courses, but did not submit my graduate thesis in time - so I have what we call "absolutorium", i.e. finished the program without pursuing a degree. The other day, a friend from my alma mater wanted me to come and do a semester of programming classes as an "industry consultant". It was all arranged properly and I was getting ready wit…

>People from one of the other faculties argued it's disrespectful to allow someone with mere BSc to teach students

At my university, they let college sophomores teach discussion sections to other students. This is typically done by Graduate students, but it's possible to be a sophomore teaching a senior.

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Why did you drop out of grad school?

More importantly, why did I bother to finish grad school?

I have a friend who's been in grad school a decade (although to be fair he had to take several breaks for family issues - so let's say 7-8 years).

I don't think he's published a paper as a first author. He's about to now, but his advisor is not happy with it and has made it clear his work on that paper is not sufficient. His advisor is sending all sorts of signals that he has given up on him - he often ignores his emails for requests to meet, etc. And he's expressed displeasure about his progress several times. The University will require his advisor's signature every semester because he has gone beyond the university's deadlines for a PhD.

He's a very smart guy and is good at software (his PhD is not CS, though). He can get a good job with a decent (or even top) company. He is almost 40 years old. Oh, and on top of all that, given how his research is going, there's a good chance no one will hire him for his research work even if he gets a PhD.

I asked him "Why not quit and get a job?"

Him: "Man, I put so much time into it and I'll feel all that time would have gone to waste. And please don't talk to me about sunk cost!"

Me: "Did you every consider that you will finish the PhD, and then end up asking yourself why you wasted so much time pursuing it?"

I've been in his shoes, and I quit my PhD as well (although spent a few years less than he did in school). Then I went to industry and saw the types of jobs I would have gotten if I had completed. Although they paid better, I would have hated those jobs. As for the time I spent in grad school? How could it possibly be a waste? I went because I had a passion for the topic, and I learned a lot while there. You don't lose all that knowledge and experience when you quit.

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More importantly, why did I bother to finish grad school?

I have a friend who's been in grad school a decade (although to be fair he had to take several breaks for family issues - so let's say 7-8 years). I don't think he's published a paper as a first author. He's about to now, but his advisor is not happy with it and has made it clear his work on that paper is not sufficient. His advisor is sending all sorts of signals that he has given up on him - he often ignores his em…

Although they paid better, I would have hated those jobs

Why?

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I have a friend who's been in grad school a decade (although to be fair he had to take several breaks for family issues - so let's say 7-8 years). I don't think he's published a paper as a first author. He's about to now, but his advisor is not happy with it and has made it clear his work on that paper is not sufficient. His advisor is sending all sorts of signals that he has given up on him - he often ignores his em…

Although they paid better, I would have hated those jobs Why?

Long work hours and abusive environment.

Furthermore, it's a fairly specialized field - only a few companies in the US (or heck, the world) hire such people. So you can't just up and leave.

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It was a bit simplistic of me to summarize it as a payment gateway, it was actually 50-60% of their backend systems that was enhanced, it was called their "Big Data Project" They do do fraud detection on the deposits, because of anti-money-laundering. The DL models also monitor various other types of abuse (bonus abuse and in-game abusers). They also are experimenting with Deep Reenforcement Learning to actually play…

I thought bots weren't allowed? Also a DL bot by the house would probably have an unfair advantage.

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I am not in agreement- while I’m sure there are a few, there’s quite likely more people who believe themselves to be underpaid geniuses. The overpaid genius, at the very least, has a preponderance of evidence that he understood all the math he’s using and has evidence he can innovate with it rather than regurgitating code (maybe that’s slightly too lenient)

> The overpaid genius, at the very least, has a preponderance of evidence that he understood all the math he’s using and has evidence he can innovate with it rather than regurgitating code (maybe that’s slightly too lenient) This assumes a separating equilibrium. There is one, of course, but it's biased against genius. Businesses don't want to overpay. Not should they. People don't negotiate their salaries. They shou…

Not sure what you mean by separating equilibrium... bimodal? I think we’re talking about different things. I’m comparing (in response to the parent) the devops guy with a few dl/ml side projects who is possibly skilled enough to join a data scientist team and contribute vs. a high ranking stem phd with a few years of experience who the devops guy may be supporting. Both can certainly undernegotiate, but they’re in different situations/roles usually.

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Charity also doesn't mean zero salary, does it?

It doesn't, but it does tend to mean heavily reduced salary because part of the employees compensation is the warm fuzzies they get.

That seems to be the case for openAI, since the compensation was lower than other offers.
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