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The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

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Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

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Post by dieg0 »

badminton1 wrote: post #6

It is not clear if Neruda died from cancer as his death certificate indicates. Most likely got killed by the regime because of his political affiliations.

Wrong, he died from Cancer. Only in the past few years this conspiracy theory surfaced. It is well known he was very ill way before the military coup. In fact, the left wanted him to be the candidate instead of Salvador Allende, but he didn't go for it, because he was involved in medical treatments.

This is just the left trying to rewrite history, and please don’t cite journalists as sources. It is said that journalists have a bast amount of information but an inch of depth on it.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#12

Post by dieg0 »

When talking about Neruda's life, don't leave out the fact he had a mentally challenged daughter. He had her institutionalized to never visit again in her entire life. He was a great poet, lived a lavish life, had many women and an eccentric lifestyle. But he was no role model, in fact, he was far from it.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#13

Post by badminton1 »

dieg0 wrote: post #11
badminton1 wrote: post #6

It is not clear if Neruda died from cancer as his death certificate indicates. Most likely got killed by the regime because of his political affiliations.

Wrong, he died from Cancer. Only in the past few years this conspiracy theory surfaced. It is well known he was very ill way before the military coup. In fact, the left wanted him to be the candidate instead of Salvador Allende, but he didn't go for it, because he was involved in medical treatments. This is just the left trying to rewrite history, and please don’t cite journalists as sources. It is said that journali…

Wrong, forensic doctor Aurelio Luna, Director of the external service of forensic science of University of Murcia found traces of a cultivated bacteria in the exhumed body of Pablo Neruda. This is enough to raise suspicions about his death.

Remember that assassinations in hospitals during this period were not uncommon. It is also suspected that former Chilean president Eduardo Frei Montalva was killed by the regime during a hospital stay.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#14

Post by killjoywashere »

badminton1 wrote: post #13
dieg0 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, he died from Cancer. Only in the past few years this conspiracy theory surfaced. It is well known he was very ill way before the military coup. In fact, the left wanted him to be the candidate instead of Salvador Allende, but he didn't go for it, because he was involved in medical treatments. This is just the left trying to rewrite history, and please don’t cite journalists as sources. It is said that journali…

Wrong, forensic doctor Aurelio Luna, Director of the external service of forensic science of University of Murcia found traces of a cultivated bacteria in the exhumed body of Pablo Neruda. This is enough to raise suspicions about his death. Remember that assassinations in hospitals during this period were not uncommon. It is also suspected that former Chilean president Eduardo Frei Montalva was killed by the regime d…

I'm sorry, traces of bacteria in an exhumed body?! This less surprising than find bacteria in shit.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#15

Post by soperj »

dieg0 wrote: post #12

When talking about Neruda's life, don't leave out the fact he had a mentally challenged daughter. He had her institutionalized to never visit again in her entire life. He was a great poet, lived a lavish life, had many women and an eccentric lifestyle. But he was no role model, in fact, he was far from it.

You can say the same about Jobs, but people still go on and on about him on this site.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#16

Post by wumms »

killjoywashere wrote: post #14
badminton1 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, forensic doctor Aurelio Luna, Director of the external service of forensic science of University of Murcia found traces of a cultivated bacteria in the exhumed body of Pablo Neruda. This is enough to raise suspicions about his death. Remember that assassinations in hospitals during this period were not uncommon. It is also suspected that former Chilean president Eduardo Frei Montalva was killed by the regime d…

I'm sorry, traces of bacteria in an exhumed body?! This less surprising than find bacteria in shit.

cultivated bacteria (suggesting a laboratory was involved)

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#17

Post by balladeer »

dieg0 wrote: post #12

When talking about Neruda's life, don't leave out the fact he had a mentally challenged daughter. He had her institutionalized to never visit again in her entire life. He was a great poet, lived a lavish life, had many women and an eccentric lifestyle. But he was no role model, in fact, he was far from it.

I maybe wrong in this assumption but I think very few know about a rape[0], at least that's what I think it was (from his memoir[1]), that he committed in Sri Lanka (Ceylon back then). It was a native Tamil woman. Doesn't at all read like a consensual act or an act of a transactional nature (which could be considered consensual).

I loved his love poems and I think I would still like them (maybe) but for some reason I don't think it's going to be the same after knowing about this incident from his life. Maybe I need to work on separating the art from the artist, if at all that can be a thing.

[0] https://globalvoices.org/2015/10/05/portrait-of-nobel-litera...

[1] http://tamilwoman.tumblr.com/post/79412843312/tw-rape-pablo-...

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

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Post by sparky_z »

dieg0 wrote: post #11
badminton1 wrote: post #6

It is not clear if Neruda died from cancer as his death certificate indicates. Most likely got killed by the regime because of his political affiliations.

Wrong, he died from Cancer. Only in the past few years this conspiracy theory surfaced. It is well known he was very ill way before the military coup. In fact, the left wanted him to be the candidate instead of Salvador Allende, but he didn't go for it, because he was involved in medical treatments. This is just the left trying to rewrite history, and please don’t cite journalists as sources. It is said that journali…

All I know is what I've just read in the Wikipedia article, but nobody seems to be claiming that he didn't have cancer. In fact it's part of the story, with his doctor injecting him with some sort of poison instead of treatment. So "you guys, he totally had cancer" doesn't actually disprove anything. It's entirely possible to murder a cancer patient.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

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Post by diN0bot »

balladeer wrote: post #17
dieg0 wrote: post #12

When talking about Neruda's life, don't leave out the fact he had a mentally challenged daughter. He had her institutionalized to never visit again in her entire life. He was a great poet, lived a lavish life, had many women and an eccentric lifestyle. But he was no role model, in fact, he was far from it.

I maybe wrong in this assumption but I think very few know about a rape[0], at least that's what I think it was (from his memoir[1]), that he committed in Sri Lanka (Ceylon back then). It was a native Tamil woman. Doesn't at all read like a consensual act or an act of a transactional nature (which could be considered consensual). I loved his love poems and I think I would still like them (maybe) but for some reason I…

Nah, I don't think you _need_ to do anything but what you feel is just and right. I personally enjoy my art in context. Same when I make a purchase or cast a vote.

Re: The messy, brilliant life of Pablo Neruda

#20

Post by jacobolus »

soperj wrote: post #15
dieg0 wrote: post #12

When talking about Neruda's life, don't leave out the fact he had a mentally challenged daughter. He had her institutionalized to never visit again in her entire life. He was a great poet, lived a lavish life, had many women and an eccentric lifestyle. But he was no role model, in fact, he was far from it.

You can say the same about Jobs, but people still go on and on about him on this site.

Jobs was a shitty parent between the ages of about 23–30 (between a few years before that and the middle of that period he had gone from being a broke unemployed college drop-out traveling around India and then living in a commune to a workaholic world-famous celebrity and gajillionaire), after which he apologetically reconciled with his former girlfriend and their child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Family
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