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‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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> It has to do with antisocial behavior. Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform Can you define "antisocial behaviour"?

There's a wealth of literature on the topic that you could examine at your leisure.

So you're suggesting reddit admins, mods or some algorithm should diagnose antisocial behaviour using the DSM-V based only on a user's written words? This is genuinely what you believe?

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They are not responsible in the same that car manufacturers are not responsible when one of their toys gets driven into a crowd of people.

I think the difference is that guns are designed to cause deaths. Cars are not designed to be in accidents.

Imho, I don't think that that matters. Guns have plenty of legitimate, beneficial, and legal uses. Sure it is easy to use them illegally, but similarly it is also easy to use a car illegally, so I think my analogy still stands.

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Many of the comments here are picking apart pieces of subreddit drama or are discussing specific Reddit positions, but I think that's missing the forest for the trees. The VC grow-at-all-costs model seems to be resulting in monopolistic business practices and more negative externalities than positive ones. Msatodon/GNU Social/Qvitter right now is a thriving social network run by instance owners that federate their in…

Some programmers see a problem and say "I know, I'll add federation". Now you have 7 problems. More seriously, I'm not seeing how federation solves any social network problem better than subreddits did? In either case, the quality of the discussion will depend on the moderators, who can be good, bad, or evil.

Federated social networks give you the ability to change allegiance or fork. Don't like a particular moderator on an instance? Leave to another instance, or start your own. Things can get problematic if other instances refuse to federate your own, but if you maintain even a bit of social capital, most instances will not block an instance with a single user. There's a growing culture (and a set of actions in the ecosystem) of letting people know when you've changed instances, because instances are becoming easier and easier to run and more and more people are trying to run their own. But if you don't want to deal with it, join one of the large already existing instances.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. The internet always worked this way. There are the cesspools, maybe things you don't like, but if you don't feel like engaging with these communities you simply keep going. Problem with these social media forum sit…

Reddit once was a good place to engage in things like politics, but now it is a cesspool of left leaning people. /r/politics turning into a largely left platform has helped to give rise to the more extreme groups that feel ostracized. It is my opinion that effectively banning views that can at times be extreme (though non-violent and not inherently bigoted) only draws more people to them.

I don't blame Reddit for being too hands off, if anything I often blame them for being too hands on. That may not be a popular opinion; but I have in my any years in active online forums/newsgroups/message boards from the early 2000s, to now, seen this happen so many times.

A overactive admin/mod group always has a blowback, which generally ends in another community forming with more extreme views than what was originally the cause of the bans.

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I don't understand what you mean... The official reddit app on iOS show comments as deep as you want, as far as I can tell. They default to collapsed the further you go deep/down in subcomments, but have buttons that say things like "6 more replies". Beyond a certain level they stop indenting , so the actual hierarchy is no longer clear, but that's necessary because there wouldn't be enough horizontal space otherwise…

If you have the mobile app, you can see for yourself. Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskOuija/comments/89rukm/hey_vsauce... If you're not by a desktop, you can verify the missing comments by viewing the link in mobile Safari (in an ironic twist, Reddit's mobile web view is actually more functional than their native app). I wonder how many people are out there, like you, who have no idea this is going on.…

In the thread you linked, someone replied:

> Mobile people stop replying it’s there just u can’t see

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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Still a nothing burger, it's paid political propaganda on those default reddits, paid teams pushing bs and noise. Share blue for example was given a budget of 40+ million a year to do just that. (Over 100k a day) The other paid campaign is 'deplatforming' (their term). They do your best to silence opinions which don't match the paid script.

I'm sure it's being brigaded by both sides for political points/fire control. But you'd have to be willfully blind to describe the events up to now as a "nothing burger."

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Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. The internet always worked this way. There are the cesspools, maybe things you don't like, but if you don't feel like engaging with these communities you simply keep going. Problem with these social media forum sit…

To be fair, some of the "speech" on Reddit is actually dangerous. Like, get people hurt dangerous.

I've never seen an active threat on Reddit, what do you define as dangerous? Can you give an example? I've been on Reddit almost since the beginning and I've never come across a post that I felt posed any danger. Maybe I'm in the wrong subreddits.

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I disagree. Anonymity allows you to express unpopular views that you wouldn't be able to in real life. But the existence of downvoting basically defeats that, except in unpopular echo chambers, of course.

I'm not saying anonymity doesn't have its place. But that I think it's a major factor in the particular problem being discussed here.

Have you not seen facebook comments on a news article lately? People have no problem being awful under their real name.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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> The comments here have this mentality of "there are people with different opinions from me, why don't these websites deal with these opinions". It's dangerous thinking that can be applied to your opinions. It has nothing to do with opinions. It has never been about opinions, and you know it. It has to do with antisocial behavior . Antisocial behavior is inherently hostile and doesn't deserve a platform, which has b…

>This is not news, and the real dangerous trend that I'm seeing is that antisocial behavior doesn't matter and should be protected. No, it shouldn't. There was a time when approving of gay marriage or suggesting that women are equal to men in most regards would have been considered "antisocial" by a good chunk of the population. There was also a time when it was not antisocial at all to suggest that certain races of…

I am not sure what is the point you're trying to make.

If we define a behavioral set, such as "antisocial", meaning, behavior not welcome in a society, why does the fact that we later expand this set indicate a problem with using the set?

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They are not responsible in the same that car manufacturers are not responsible when one of their toys gets driven into a crowd of people.

The reason that guns were created was to fire high powered projectiles into people. Cars weren't created to run people over.

I don't think your response demonstrates why the gun manufacturer is at fault. Does the same hold for steak knives? What about assault knives? All weapon makers share responsibility for the deaths involving the weapons they make if the makers claim the object was created to kill people. That's the argument, but I don't think it holds up to scrutiny.
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