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The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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You can't know for sure that dad/friend/partner didn't write or review the assignment either. How about a 4-5 hours coding rush in the office, where you have to add a few functions or features to an existing codebase?

> You can't know for sure that dad/friend/partner didn't write the assignment either. I don't follow what you're implying here, sorry? > How about a 4-5 hours coding rush in the office, where you have to add a few functions or features to an existing codebase? I work at a company where we actively keep a small set of tasks groomed for new hires. It's extremely difficult to keep a set of meaningful actually-in-the-cod…

to trowawee: if it works for you, by all means! my only objection would be if the company is benefiting from your work in some way.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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There is only a good chance if you misrepresented your abilities and aren't able to get up to speed in 30-90 days. If that is the case, you deserve to be let go.

Is it, though? There are so many other ways that someone might not be a good "fit." Maybe you found another, slightly better candidate who is willing to accept a lower offer. Maybe a manager or individual contributor feels that their position is threatened by the candidate. Maybe they don't attend weekly happy hour.

Yes but being a FTE doesn't shield you from that sort of thing either.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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I used to hate it, but have now performed enough interviews of supposedly senior devs with decades of experience. I've literally seen someone who did firmware for the space shuttle grind for 45 minutes on fizz buzz without making progress. Like, I'd they struggle for ten minutes or so, I take a step back and say "Ok, screw syntax, let's just vaguely talk about what needs to happen and mock up some pseudo code.". Even…

Check your premise. It sounds to me that an assumption is being made because they didnt meet the expectations within a fixed time period. The danger with this is that this is not a real world scenerio of how two people would approach a task or problem. It’s also important to recognize that everyone is different with regards to how they process information. Stress has a real biological effect on how the brain processe…

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Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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I used to hate it, but have now performed enough interviews of supposedly senior devs with decades of experience. I've literally seen someone who did firmware for the space shuttle grind for 45 minutes on fizz buzz without making progress. Like, I'd they struggle for ten minutes or so, I take a step back and say "Ok, screw syntax, let's just vaguely talk about what needs to happen and mock up some pseudo code.". Even…

That sounds to me like fight or flight response. Happens to me sometimes, and when it does I can’t code worth a damn, in spite of having a decade and a half of experience on the top projects at some of the top companies in the industry. This, in fact, happened to me the first time I interviewed with Google: I bombed that pretty spectacularly. The second time I applied I already had a couple of very generous offers el…

Hence the take home interview. At least at the last company I worked at we began doing these because we could tell that the stress was filtering out some otherwise decent candidates. At least that was one of the reasons, it also gave us a chance to talk about technical solutions the candidate produced in a more stress-free way.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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Which may have proven nothing more than this person was too nervous to function.

So hire everyone who can't function during the interview?

I know several really, really good programmers with pretty intense anxiety. Automatically ruling them out because of a poorly-formatted interview process would be a big mistake.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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Is that true? I’ve never had a contract that forbade me to work on side projects for cash.

There's often a clause in the Employee Handbook you're asked to agree to periodically.

And with Anglo Saxon law it's probably an implied term as there is so much precedent after all we are supposed to be good servants to our masters :-)

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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I used to hate it, but have now performed enough interviews of supposedly senior devs with decades of experience. I've literally seen someone who did firmware for the space shuttle grind for 45 minutes on fizz buzz without making progress. Like, I'd they struggle for ten minutes or so, I take a step back and say "Ok, screw syntax, let's just vaguely talk about what needs to happen and mock up some pseudo code.". Even…

That sounds to me like fight or flight response. Happens to me sometimes, and when it does I can’t code worth a damn, in spite of having a decade and a half of experience on the top projects at some of the top companies in the industry. This, in fact, happened to me the first time I interviewed with Google: I bombed that pretty spectacularly. The second time I applied I already had a couple of very generous offers el…

I take a small dose of a benzodiazepine before interviewing. It helps filter out the noise/stress to let me concentrate when I'm under the gun.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to hate it, but have now performed enough interviews of supposedly senior devs with decades of experience. I've literally seen someone who did firmware for the space shuttle grind for 45 minutes on fizz buzz without making progress. Like, I'd they struggle for ten minutes or so, I take a step back and say "Ok, screw syntax, let's just vaguely talk about what needs to happen and mock up some pseudo code.". Even…

Check your premise. It sounds to me that an assumption is being made because they didnt meet the expectations within a fixed time period. The danger with this is that this is not a real world scenerio of how two people would approach a task or problem. It’s also important to recognize that everyone is different with regards to how they process information. Stress has a real biological effect on how the brain processe…

> It sounds to me that an assumption is being made because they didnt meet the expectations within a fixed time period.

Of course, you have a limited amount of time to interview people. Please let me know when you figure out how to give someone an infinite amount of time to answer questions during a 1 hour interview.

> The danger with this is that this is not a real world scenerio of how two people would approach a task or problem.

That doesn't mean it's not a reasonable way to test basic skills. It's even too easy to test that by itself. What good alternative do you have?

> All of us could be better at trying to understand people around us and accepting them for who they are instead of scrutinizing them for what they are not.

How exactly would you structure a 1 hour interview so that it's not, "scrutinizing them for what they are not"? Or are you just having fun being preachy here?

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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If you're only applying to one job and you get it, sure. But when you're looking for a new job and sending out dozens of resumes, it adds up pretty quickly! On top of that, it makes rejections all the more dispiriting when you spend hours or days working on one job application.

IMHO, if you can't land, say, 1 out of 3 interviews, there is a systemic personal problem, not just a bad day, and "the problem is u" -- sadly you will just need to work harder because something in your skill set is not up to snuff.

This ratio depends on how ambitious you are on upgrading from your current position. Imagine arranging all open jobs into layers. At the lower layers are jobs that you can do with your eyes closed. Towards the middle are jobs you're sure you could do, but would take some ramping up. Higher up are jobs that might be more rewarding, and you think you have decent chance of doing them well if you work hard to improve your skills once you're in.

Your 1:3 odds will be different depending on your target. Maybe the commenter to whom you replied is trying to get jobs paying 50% more than their current job, but for each of these jobs there's only a 3% chance of getting it.

Re: The latest trend for tech interviews: Days of unpaid homework

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I went for a job interview with a company years ago just after I graduated. This was for a graduate position so I kinda made a few assumptive expectations on what they would want from me and my skills.

Went in there, did their pointless psychometric tests (which by the way litterally have no relevance to my skills) went through their interview and went out their door passing it with flying colours.

I got a call from the agent leasing with them. She was shocked to say that neither me or another they interviewed made the cut.

I graduated with a first class degree with honours in Software Engineering.

The company said I wasn't qualified enough for the graduate position!

Told a good friend and lecturer at my university about this and he said, "pass me the name of the company, i'll get them barred from exposing internships and job oportunities to other students. Your time was utterly wasted and that was a completely pathetic reason to not accept you".

The agent said to me that she would fight to testify my qualifications. I told her that there was no point. This company is not only wasting my time but your time as well. They dont deserve your time as an agent nor my skill set.

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