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‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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Are you assuming they would have sought out longer form or higher tier content otherwise? My dad was extremely happy using Stumbleupon for years. It was about as high-pace low-quality you could get on the internet. I showed him sites like Reddit and elsewhere but he was very content with just Stumbling. People like to blame FB/Twitter for low quality content without considering the huge market for that stuff. People…

I definitely think that dumb content makes the consumer dumber with repeated exposure just like smart/educational content makes them smarter (well, in simple terms). I don't think there is a baseline intelligence level for each person below which they can't possibly fall regardless of what they do. So yes, platforms making dumb content more available do make people dumber long term. I don't know what to do about it,…

> I definitely think that dumb content makes the consumer dumber with repeated exposure

Sure, but even if that turns out to be the case what concerns me is how often people automatically take the next step and assume that it should or CAN be controlled top-down, and that doing so will surely result in the average/lowest common denominator consumer suddenly becoming smarter and less ignorant.

Basically the assumption that it is such a significant problem, that people would be far better informed/smarter if we just banned/regulated what some central organization or individual mega-corporations deem as not good content.

That's a significant leap - and one that I feel is very often disconnected in these discussions. Just because problem X exists, doesn't mean solution Y will solve it. Or that problem X is a significant enough problem that the rewards will warrant the costs/risks of attempting to fix it.

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What I can never reconcile with is that when mainstream media means 'toxic' they are never referring to the /r/latestagecapitalism plastered all over the front page of reddit. They protest the fact that somewhere, hidden from popular view a minority of people hold a different view from the extreme leftist one.

What’s wrong with r/latestagecapitalism?

Although I disagree with the subreddit, nothing really wrong with it being on front page of reddit. It just shows how pro-left reddit is, but despite this the mainstream media only reports on minority of people practicing their free speech. This willing blindness to the truth of the situation is to me a form of misinformation. I think NYT would gladly welcome a violent Maoist style revolution if it increased its subscription numbers. Hence articles like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/style/black-bloc-fashion..... Extreme content like this free to parade around but god forbid some people are making pepe memes somewhere and garnering 12 views. The state (increasingly communist) must fight to protect those poor minority leftists from the evil empire.

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I think there is a very important distinction that needs to be made. The popular reddit experience is vastly worse than the customized reddit. It took me a while to realize that my reddit experience was vastly improved once I was very picky about which subreddits I follow.

I don't have a Reddit account but I lurk there regularly, in my experience that only works as long as the subreddits are very niche and not well known. As soon as they get popular since there's effectively no barrier of entry for the general Reddit population you effectively get the same community everywhere. Normally when people find a forum that interests them (like, say, HN) they need to bother creating an account…

> As soon as they get popular since there's effectively no barrier of entry for the general Reddit population you effectively get the same community everywhere.

Strict moderation can still be effective once obscurity is lost. /r/SpaceX is an example of an excellent subreddit that has survived an explosion in popularity.

> So your post sounds a bit to me like "Twitter is great if you know the hashtags to follow" and it's probably true but at this point is it really representative of the website? If you need to filter 99% of the content to make it usable, maybe there's a bit of a problem still?

You're just making the observation that the majority of internet users aren't sophisticated intellectuals. Demanding that the website you visit are sophisticated everywhere is just a demand that they are hidden or ignored by most people. I don't see how this is different than having hidden/ignored hashtags, subreddits, or filters.

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True, but The_Donald is always leaking. I've seen plenty of sexist/racist content on subreddits for cities, sports teams, memes, etc. Reddit has allowed itself to be a platform used in part for really despicable content, and the despicable people who generate that content regularly venture outside their cesspools.

The internet is not your save space. Neither is reddit. If everbody were thinking your way, those posts would be downvoted into obliviation. I am sorry that you have to face the fact thst many people don't share your personal value judgement of what is considered to be racist/sexist.

By that same logic, reddit is allowed to outright ban all right-positive content, correct? It's not the right's safe space, after all.

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Many of the comments here are picking apart pieces of subreddit drama or are discussing specific Reddit positions, but I think that's missing the forest for the trees. The VC grow-at-all-costs model seems to be resulting in monopolistic business practices and more negative externalities than positive ones.

Msatodon/GNU Social/Qvitter right now is a thriving social network run by instance owners that federate their instances. Or you can run your own instance if you want total control of everything. Secure Scuttlebutt is a growing social network run in a fully distributed (as opposed to federated) model.

The cat is out of the bag, and if you're complaining about social media today I see no reason not to embrace modern social networks.

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He's basically saying that freedom of speech is too risky on the internet for any platform. That is scary to me.

A lot of the banned subs were downright abusive if not criminal. Shaming, harassing, threatening. Reddit is not obligated to provide them a platform and that's not a free speech issue.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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He's basically saying that freedom of speech is too risky on the internet for any platform. That is scary to me.

It is scary. This is what convinced me that maybe "hey, freedom of speech, even for stuff I dislike" could actually leave us too vulnerable:

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/08/25/546127444/epis...

But I have no real solutions. Maybe even if we censor things, we work as hard as possible to keep the censorship records transparent and to make the censored stuff accessible and have some complex accountability system?? I dunno. maybe it's all hopeless.

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It’s not really relevant to what the author is trying to say at all. Actually, it’s the opposite. Because of the excess of disinterested capital that only values growth, a thing that could be a positive and productive thing is instead a cancer — it grows and grows without purpose. That’s why Reddit (and Tumblr) have massive porn sections that aren’t spoken about and Reddit is a watering hole for white supremacy and p…

Comparing porn to white supremacy is just that kind of political view that feels completely alien to me. It was not many years ago that Monty Python poked fun at a whole nations conservative view about nudity and porn, and it seems like globally we have taken a few new step backwards toward the 19th century views about those topics. The biggest porn section in reddit is currently ranked 61 of all subreddits. Cat pict…

Comparing the popularity of a default sub to a NSFW sub using subscriber counts is a horrible argument.

New accounts get subscribed to the defaults automatically -- hence the top ~50 subreddits by sub count are or were defaults.

"User Activity" is probably more accurate. Even then, how are they determining activity? Views? Comments? Up/downvotes?

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I think there is a very important distinction that needs to be made. The popular reddit experience is vastly worse than the customized reddit. It took me a while to realize that my reddit experience was vastly improved once I was very picky about which subreddits I follow.

Favourite subs you would recommend?

/r/askhistorians is regarded as pretty much the "perfectly moderated" subreddit others strive for

/r/science and /r/programming aren't bad

After that you should just check out niche communities and see if they've been taken over by trolls. So far /r/motorcycles, /r/ultralight, /r/camping etc have been fine, as opposed to the many iterations of /r/onebag which generally suffer from power-grabbing moderation.

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