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‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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They're suffering the same problem as Facebook & YouTube. They're leaderless, being driven by and reacting to the mob of users, instead of the producing a planned product that understands people.

The problem with social media is that they don't have people telling the public that their ideas are crap, so everyone thinks they're awesome.

Editors get to make sure people understand that, no, they are not awesome.

Social media, like any advertising-driven media, needs editors to tune their site. They're trying to have it all - the profit of big advertising with the automation of tech, but advertisers only want something specific, and automation isn't going to get what advertisers want. No major advertiser wants their beautiful fashion brand ad nexts to a post of child mutilation on Reddit. And editors get to tell people that their content is garbage or great.

And editing means people are going to be unhappy. You are officially taking a certain viewpoint, and are literally filtering out incompatible expression. The people that get edited out, they'll get mad, but they'll have to deal with it, like the millions of other people that get edited out by various editors around the world and deal with it appropriately.

To fix it, Reddit & other social media needs Editors-in-Chief. Just tell the users: "This is the boss. Keep that person happy. Want to be pissy about it? Go somewhere else."

YouTube is now trying that with their kids channels.

In the long-run, things work out better with editors.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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Reddit is just a reflection of the world. There is both good and bad there. It is very easy to avoid the bad. Only visit the subreddits that you know are good. For instance, I'm a boardgamer and r/boardgames is a very friendly place. Other subreddits I frequent like r/woodworking, r/bodyweightfitness, r/campingandhiking are likewise places that positively contribute to the world.

No, it's a reflection of a white male internet world.

Are there data on this or you just made that up?

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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I think this is an important distinction. I could never quite understand what all the hub-bub was until I realized that. I've used my account to comment since before they added subreddits. And I never stumble across one of the "toxic" ones except for the rare occasions when one of the other subreddits links to those ones.

Wait, how did it work before adding the subs? A single board like HN, but without any specific topics? It seems crazy. I can't imagine Reddit without subs.

Yes. That was a long time ago. The total volume of reddit at that time was probably smaller than even a moderately larger subreddit today.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

#54

I'm sure that's what most people could say about their time at, or on, Reddit.

Reddit is just a reflection of the world. There is both good and bad there. It is very easy to avoid the bad. Only visit the subreddits that you know are good. For instance, I'm a boardgamer and r/boardgames is a very friendly place. Other subreddits I frequent like r/woodworking, r/bodyweightfitness, r/campingandhiking are likewise places that positively contribute to the world.

The problem is that the site leaks in a way which doesn’t have a real world analog. Your favorite coffee shop doesn’t have random skinheads show up as soon as someone starts talking about e.g. sexism or racism. If it did they’d be limited to who lives nearby and the manager could kick them out when they started bothering people.

None of that happens on reddit and while intense moderation works (I love /r/AskHistorians for example) it’s expensive.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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Fundamentally, the problem with the site is that Reddit was happy getting growth on the back of people searching for jailbait[1] and creepshot porn and white supremacists for years and they have a user base that reflects that. A lot of the power mods that run the largest subreddits are just awful human beings. I don't see how they fix that short of nuking the whole site from orbit and starting over. [1] http://web.ar…

These people exist and no amount of censorship will eliminate that. Protective bubbles exist in the form of moderated subreddit and other forums outside of Reddit.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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I'd say extreme moderation is probably the opposite of toxic.

You're right, censored discussion is probably a better way to put it. They delete anything questioning their viewpoint, not just spam, hate speech, harassment etc.

Don't they sticky that disclaimer in big letters on every post? Why do people expect otherwise?

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/8crq8r...

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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I think there is a very important distinction that needs to be made. The popular reddit experience is vastly worse than the customized reddit. It took me a while to realize that my reddit experience was vastly improved once I was very picky about which subreddits I follow.

I think you're wrong. Only follwing subreddits you like will not create a better experience, but a worse one. You will only be exposed to material that you already enjoy, which is kind of boring. It's like having a party but only inviting yourself. I love reading /r/all because I'm always surprised by the type of stuff that's upvoted.

Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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I've significantly reduced my time on Reddit. Used to pull up the website out of curiosity every day but the atmosphere is incredibly toxic. My front page was riddled with Russiagate stuff too for some reason and every time you'd bring up an argument that isn't the norm you get a mob after you.

It's hard to bring up without being attacked, even off of Reddit, but for long-time heavy users it's been obvious for a while that Reddit has purposefully undergone several changes to control the narrative at the behest of advertisers and the powers that be.

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Re: ‘I Fundamentally Believe That My Time at Reddit Made the World a Worse Place’

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What’s wrong with r/latestagecapitalism?

Admins do nothing to prevent extreme moderation as occurs on there from deleting any comment with an alternative viewpoint. Yet it appears quite consistently on the front page with only agreement in its comments section.

It's not as if there aren't meme-heavy right-wing subreddits who do something similar. r/the_donald was all over the front page for a long while, and has a notoriously strict moderation policy. It's just that the right wing subs just don't happen to be as popular right now - or they get banned for lack of moderation and for having their members advocating extreme violence (like r/physicalremoval).

latestagecapitalism's output is relatively tame, and given that they have a politically contentious subject matter, heavy moderation is necessary in order to keep the subreddit free of people from any part of the spectrum who'd turn it into a monkey-flinging shitfest.

Also, it's nowhere near the front page today; it's nothing on what r/The_Donald used to be like.

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