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George Washington’s “Yelp Reviews”

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Re: George Washington’s “Yelp Reviews”

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(I have a comment that may be relevant to some other observations here, but mostly unrelated to the piece itself, amusing as it is.) To understand the USA, and modern politics in general, I find it very helpful to know a little bit of Roman history. The US were deliberately moulded by the very knowledgeable founders as a revised and improved version of the classical Roman republic. The attempt was wildly successful,…

That is quite broad, and not related to the piece. I don't disagree with you, but it sounds like you're wandering far afield to make some other point not even close to where the article is going. Banging on your own drum as it were.

The well-educated of the time were taught classics, so yes, Romans had an influence, as did the Greeks. They were protestants, more of a deist nature, but protestants. So there's that influence. Wars of religion were recent for them. Up until 1776 or so, they considered themselves Englishmen. It was a time of great philosophical minds. You can't talk about the founding of the U.S. without talking about John Locke, for instance.

It's not that the Roman metaphor is completely inaccurate, it's that it's only a tiny slice of a very complex picture. Looking at the U.S. as some modern-day version of Rome can lead to all kinds of silliness. It's fun to do, sure, but best used very sparingly. It can lead to having all sorts of huge gaps in knowledge while assuring yourself that you understand the important parts of what happened.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Washington was an exceptional man who walked away from near-total power. It’s only been done a few times in human history.

What would the best book be on him? I'm an Australian and my grasp of U.S. history is, to be frank, almost non-existent.

It only partially covers Washington, but I found the revolutions podcast great:

http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/

the American revolution starts here: http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2014/02/017-the-new-world....

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What would the best book be on him? I'm an Australian and my grasp of U.S. history is, to be frank, almost non-existent.

His Excellency, by Joseph J. Ellis, is very good. I strongly recommend it. Founding Brothers, by Ellis, is also very good (and short). David McCullough has several tremendous US history books, including John Adams, 1776, The Wright Brothers, The Path Between the Seas.

His Excellency is a great book.

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Recently having read Gore Vidal's book 'Burr', Washington come out as a poor military leader, whose terrible military decisions prolonged the American Revolutionary War by years. In fact none of Washington, Jefferson or Hamilton come out as people of virtue and character as per the book.

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Recently having read Gore Vidal's book 'Burr', Washington come out as a poor military leader, whose terrible military decisions prolonged the American Revolutionary War by years. In fact none of Washington, Jefferson or Hamilton come out as people of virtue and character as per the book.

Not having read that book, I would say you have to consider the source and why they might have come to those conclusions. Now, it's possible Gore is correct, but then again, why are others incorrect in their assertion, if Gore is right?

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Recently having read Gore Vidal's book 'Burr', Washington come out as a poor military leader, whose terrible military decisions prolonged the American Revolutionary War by years. In fact none of Washington, Jefferson or Hamilton come out as people of virtue and character as per the book.

I disagree, he wasn't a Napolean, but he was a very good general, and after all Napolean didnt fare well in the end.

He was keen and only attached when necessary. Playing the long game against the British that "prolonged the American Revolutionary War by years" was a winning strategy. Better to take a long time to win than to loose quickly.

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(I have a comment that may be relevant to some other observations here, but mostly unrelated to the piece itself, amusing as it is.) To understand the USA, and modern politics in general, I find it very helpful to know a little bit of Roman history. The US were deliberately moulded by the very knowledgeable founders as a revised and improved version of the classical Roman republic. The attempt was wildly successful,…

That is quite broad, and not related to the piece. I don't disagree with you, but it sounds like you're wandering far afield to make some other point not even close to where the article is going. Banging on your own drum as it were. The well-educated of the time were taught classics, so yes, Romans had an influence, as did the Greeks. They were protestants, more of a deist nature, but protestants. So there's that inf…

Exactly, I don't know much about the Romans but I read a lot of philosophy from around 1700s, and you can see that a lot of the principles in the declaration of Independence and the constitution were shaped by some of those contemporary philosophical ideals.

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Recently having read Gore Vidal's book 'Burr', Washington come out as a poor military leader, whose terrible military decisions prolonged the American Revolutionary War by years. In fact none of Washington, Jefferson or Hamilton come out as people of virtue and character as per the book.

Also discussed here in great detail:

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/12/bruce_bueno_de_1.ht...

> Political scientist Bruce Bueno de Mesquita of NYU and co-author of The Spoils of War talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about how presidents go to war. Bueno de Mesquita argues that the decision of how and when to go to war is made in self-interested ways rather than in consideration of what is best for the nation. The discussion includes a revisionist perspective on the presidencies of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and others as Bueno de Mesquita tries to make the case that the reputations of these men are over-inflated.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Washington was an exceptional man who walked away from near-total power. It’s only been done a few times in human history.

What would the best book be on him? I'm an Australian and my grasp of U.S. history is, to be frank, almost non-existent.

I really enjoyed Seven Men, by Metaxas. It profiles the substantial legend and actual known history behind one of the most amazing men in U.S. history (along with six others).

It explains the roots of Washington's incredible ambition and some of his worst decisions, and contrasts them against his amazing decision to not assume the throne in the immediate post-war period, even at a crucial point: when his army needed him to and actually painted him into a corner to force him to do so, and when the nascent Republic was crumbling and he could have taken the reins with the best of intentions and restored order after a bitter and divisive war. That he didn't assume power, even for a 'short' period, is simply astounding.

I also enjoyed Washington's Secret Six, about his (even today) little-known spy ring and how they communicated, even in the midst of fashionable (Tory/loyalist/pro-British) New York society at the time. Capture would mean torture, imprisonment, and likely execution as a spy, even in the civilized world of the eighteenth century. The opsec and infosec that they practiced was, well, revolutionary. (ahem)

It's also amazing that Washington, after serving as a Colonel in His Majesty's army, was effectively a traitor against the King and so would have probably been executed had the Revolutionary War been lost, and yet it's obvious that he was never fighting for his own life: he was fearless. He was fighting for something greater.

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This was an interesting endeavour and I have to say a good initiative by someone who could have just stayed in luxury and not seen the realities of most poor travellers.

Washington was an exceptional man who walked away from near-total power. It’s only been done a few times in human history.

What are some other times?
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