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Re: Be Good

#21
Peter Drucker said much the same thing: profit is the cost of doing business, not the purpose. The true purpose of a business is to provide goods & services to its customers. The "profit motive" is essentially a check on the resources consumed by the business, to ensure that it's not spending resources inefficiently, much as PG mentions in the 2nd footnote.

Up until the 1970s, it was common for corporations to be managed "to balance the interests of all stakeholders - employees, customers, shareholders, and the community." You can blame Milton Friedman for changing that: he popularized the notion of a corporation existing purely to maximize shareholder value, enshrining it so deeply in American culture that it's become law, and corporate directors can now be sued if they consider anything other than the interests of shareholders. It is important that companies pay attention to shareholder value, but it was a huge mistake to make that the only mission of a corporation. Score one for market fundamentalism...

Re: Be Good

#22
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think even YouTube/FaceBook/Flickr started along those lines. Hell, even Jimmy Wales was running a porn website ring before focusing on Wikipedia full time.

I don't think that's true. Those sites grew mostly through word of mouth. I don't consider that to be devious. What's wrong with Jimmy Wales operating a porn site? I don't see how that's related to Wikipedia.

Nothing wrong at all. I think he used it to finance wikipedia/nupedia in the early stages though. I just tried to give examples of things that started not necessarily with the thought of making the world a better place.

Re: Be Good

#23
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide some examples?

I think even YouTube/FaceBook/Flickr started along those lines. Hell, even Jimmy Wales was running a porn website ring before focusing on Wikipedia full time.

Since when is porn evil?

Re: Be Good

#24
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide some examples?

I think even YouTube/FaceBook/Flickr started along those lines. Hell, even Jimmy Wales was running a porn website ring before focusing on Wikipedia full time.

My initial lure to Youtube was pirated music videos and sometimes TV, mostly stuff other people owned.

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post #3

It's scary how good the prose of some lispers is. I wonder what made Peter Norvig and Paul Graham write this well. "I am not claiming to be good. At best I speak good as a second language." is just brilliant.

Lisp speaks active voice.

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#26
While I am sure that there is a lot of truth in that post, I'd say that selling "sins" is much more profitable: sex, drugs, alcohol, tobacco - lots of money involved.

Re: Be Good

#27
post #19

I have no idea how Digi-Key is interacting with Octopart, but I have been buying parts from them for a long time and have nothing but good things to say about them. I like the company so much that I called to see if they were public so that I could buy stock; they're not. Although Octopart and its investors may be frustrated, it does Digi-Key a disservice to characterize it as "evil", not "good" or a company that isn…

i modded you up, because you brought value to the conversation. i don't think i agree with you though, or at least you haven't presented enough information to convince me. being concerned with customer satisfaction does not preclude the company from trying to keep prices artificially high.

Re: Be Good

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post #19

I have no idea how Digi-Key is interacting with Octopart, but I have been buying parts from them for a long time and have nothing but good things to say about them. I like the company so much that I called to see if they were public so that I could buy stock; they're not. Although Octopart and its investors may be frustrated, it does Digi-Key a disservice to characterize it as "evil", not "good" or a company that isn…

Some of the comments about Digi-Key were unfair. Their prices are usually comparable to Mouser. Some items are more expensive, some are cheaper. They don't significantly overcharge for anything. You can confirm this with Octopart.

Also, the most interesting thing about Octopart is the line item that says how many parts are in stock, not the pricing.

Re: Be Good

#29
"And the very best hackers tend to be idealistic. They're not desperate for a job. They can work wherever they want."

I've heard PG repeat this but I think it's fallacious. A lot of up-and-coming hackers can't pick and choose where to work except in the sense that any person can quit one job and apply for another one. They can't unilaterally get themselves into Google, for example.

Established hackers also may have constraints, such as time and family commitments, that keep them working a stable job instead of a startup, or keep them where they are rather than uprooting to go work at e.g. Google for a lower standard of living (possibly less salary and almost certainly higher cost-of-living, if you work at the HQ) even if they'd prefer to work there.

Or your company may fold and you may have trouble finding an awesome job right away and have to settle for a tolerable one instead. Considering that so many start-up founders live hand to mouth, they are quite likely to be "desperate for a job" at various points, or at least unable to work "wherever they want".

They might also find that the startup they want to do is just not as profitable or likely to succeed as some other one, and end up working on the other one instead. Scratching your own itch does not necessarily coincide with "making something people want" on a commercial scale.

Re: Be Good

#30
Paul's thesis here seems to be a confused grasp at what others have described, more simply, as the benefits of capitalism: "A good company is honest. In a world of complete information, two parties will transact iff they both benefit. This positive-sum interaction creates wealth."

What am I missing?

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