Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
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Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
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Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#2「The initial plan was for the experiment to be expanded in early 2018 to include workers as well as non-workers early in 2018, but that did not happen – to the disappointment of researchers at Kela. Without workers in the project, researchers are unable to study whether basic income would allow people to make new career moves, or enter training or education.」
And this is the paragraph I went looking for.
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#3「The initial plan was for the experiment to be expanded in early 2018 to include workers as well as non-workers early in 2018, but that did not happen – to the disappointment of researchers at Kela. Without workers in the project, researchers are unable to study whether basic income would allow people to make new career moves, or enter training or education.」 And this is the paragraph I went looking for.
What didn't they show the results for these 2000 unemployed Finns to 'make new career moves, or enter training, or education'?
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#4I understand the argument that, once free from work, a number of people will voluntarily choose to work as physicists or playwrights or mathematicians.
What I haven’t understood, though, is why someone would choose to work as a bricklayer or spend their 20s sitting in a fluorescent office designing an industrial process to make ball-bearing lubricant 0.4% more efficient. It’s that sort of menial, unglamorous labor that our society and quality of life is built on.
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#5Well it will be interesting to see if they do publish any findings. I do agree it would have been beneficial to see what would happen if workers were added to the mix. The question some like myself would like to see is, did any of the initial participants gain employment and leave the program? What did they do differently while provided with UBI they did not do before. I would also like to see if they will be followed to determine the negative and positive effects on them after it being discontinued.
my issue with the UBI fascination is that too many automatically assume there won't be work in a highly automated world or that costs of living won't decrease sufficiently as well. where it ends up is still unknown
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#6Well it will be interesting to see if they do publish any findings. I do agree it would have been beneficial to see what would happen if workers were added to the mix. The question some like myself would like to see is, did any of the initial participants gain employment and leave the program? What did they do differently while provided with UBI they did not do before. I would also like to see if they will be followe…
did any of the initial participants gain employment and leave the program?
The program didn't end even for people who found a job. That's the difference between UBI and regular unemployment benefits.
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#7There are two problems with universal basic income:
1/ Many people think UBI is a great idea but everybody imagines something else. This makes discussing UBI very difficult.
2/ Regardless of what version of UBI you personally support, it is probably not a good idea to give money to those who don't need it. Sooner or later people will realize that what they really want is tax/benefit reform, not universal basic income.
REAL NUMBERS HERE -> Check out this process flow diagram: https://www.lucidchart.com/documents/view/87d3102c-5b89-4001...
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#8A more accurate title might be: Finland declines to extend its experiment with basic income.
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#9There are two problems with universal basic income: 1/ Many people think UBI is a great idea but everybody imagines something else. This makes discussing UBI very difficult. 2/ Regardless of what version of UBI you personally support, it is probably not a good idea to give money to those who don't need it. Sooner or later people will realize that what they really want is tax/benefit reform, not universal basic income…
What’s the reasoning behind #2?
Re: Finland is scrapping plans to extend its basic income project
#10Well it will be interesting to see if they do publish any findings. I do agree it would have been beneficial to see what would happen if workers were added to the mix. The question some like myself would like to see is, did any of the initial participants gain employment and leave the program? What did they do differently while provided with UBI they did not do before. I would also like to see if they will be followe…
did any of the initial participants gain employment and leave the program? The program didn't end even for people who found a job. That's the difference between UBI and regular unemployment benefits.
True. So, did any of the initial participants gain employment?