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Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

Must be a nice way to live, having full faith that your government will always do the right thing. Relaxing.

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

Or worse, at some point that information is available to people who actively want to hurt or stalk you. Every bad divorce leaves at least one person with an axe to grind. It’s only a matter of time before collected information gets to adversary hands.

As someone who recently left a very abusive, toxic workplace, I see this as a reality.

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

#23

I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

> But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

The problem is that "wrong" can be anything arbitrary, and what's not "wrong" today, it can be "wrong" tomorrow, however arbitrary it is. Somewhere it is wrong (illegal) to call someone a "n*zi", even online.

Also anyone who tells me that they have nothing to hide, I ask for their password. For some reason they don't give me their password. Interesting, huh?

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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post #21

I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

Must be a nice way to live, having full faith that your government will always do the right thing. Relaxing.

It's more a matter of focusing the discussion. Once you bring government into it, it makes the conversation a lot more complicated. This is not a complicated issue.

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

#25

Why does the media seem to be publishing so many "well duh" tier articles about various companies at the moment? "Big data company collects big data", "company known for monetising private data collects private data", "political consulting company profiles voters and tries to affect vote". No shit?

>Why does the media seem to be publishing so many "well duh" tier articles about various companies at the moment?

Did you miss the whole Facebook and election thing?

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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Whilst the article may not have any surprising information for the regular hacker news reader, it may come as a surprise that a non-insurance, non-government business holds more private data about an individual than Facebook does, especially since most individuals will not recall ever interacting with said company. I think it is beneficial if more people become aware of this.

> it may come as a surprise that a non-insurance, non-government business holds more private data about an individual than Facebook does

Where in the article is that stated?

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

> I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security

Since when is the NSA supposed to spy on their own citizens by default? They should only target individuals that represent risk anyway. (if they were respecting the constitution)

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

#28

Why does the media seem to be publishing so many "well duh" tier articles about various companies at the moment? "Big data company collects big data", "company known for monetising private data collects private data", "political consulting company profiles voters and tries to affect vote". No shit?

>Why does the media seem to be publishing so many "well duh" tier articles about various companies at the moment? Did you miss the whole Facebook and election thing?

no I didn't, that's partly what I'm referencing. What specifically are you pointing to?

Re: Palantir is using War on Terror tools to track American citizens

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I’ve always thought - I don’t care if the NSA is spying on US citizens because their job is national security. The problem is when those tools trickle down. All of a sudden you have a local cop with too much time on their hands spying on you. But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes?

> But if you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t have anything to hide, right? Isn’t that how the saying goes? The problem is that "wrong" can be anything arbitrary, and what's not "wrong" today, it can be "wrong" tomorrow, however arbitrary it is. Somewhere it is wrong (illegal) to call someone a "n*zi", even online. Also anyone who tells me that they have nothing to hide, I ask for their password. For some r…

Nothing to hide from the law != nothing to hide from you.
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