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The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Isn't Lima for 200 and 400 series. Tinkerboard needs has a 700 which already has kernel support but will need Panfrost for open source userspace.

how mature is Panfrost? I have a board with Mali T720 (Allwinner H6) and I cannot get any GPU support currently.

Does libhybris work with Allwinner SBCs?

i.e. using ARM's proprietary driver for Mali from Android.

(FOSS drivers might be in development but pragmatically I'd choose something that works)

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Unfortunately this is not aarch64. There is something to be said for having a single instruction set, makes package building and distribution simpler.

First thing I checked, I've been looking for a small and cheap aarch64 board for hacking around. Do you know of one?

I guess as long as they won't ship more than a couple GB of RAM they won't bother with it.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Sure, none of these chips are new, and the older models (which are easily & cheaply accessible) have mainline support. I wouldn't expect jack from Allwinner besides their crummy kernel 3.4 branch, but that is the beauty in mainline support, you aren't limited to what Allwinner supports!

> Sure, none of these chips are new, and the older models (which are easily & cheaply accessible... The then-older chips were not available with the future volume we needed, unless we increased our volumes a few times. We had little choice but to build on their newer chips for the volume bracket we fell into. Perhaps the situation has changed in two years. > I wouldn't expect jack from Allwinner besides their crummy…

I'd have thought they'd still be better than the chip in the Pi, which last I checked wasn't available at all to anyone but the Pi Foundation (and the proprietary bootloader license didn't allow you to run it on anything non-Pi anyway).

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

Anything where you don't want a touch screen or want a matte screen (or are there now matte touch screen already) or don't want/care about Android?

E.g. turning it into a handheld emulator with RetroPie and a nice custom (3D printed or otherwise) case [0].

Yes, GDP XD (which uses Android) exists but it's a custom built product and not a phone and you take it or leave it (unlike the customization you get from Raspberry Pi).

[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9lXBexw0o

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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post #152

Unfortunately this is not aarch64. There is something to be said for having a single instruction set, makes package building and distribution simpler.

First thing I checked, I've been looking for a small and cheap aarch64 board for hacking around. Do you know of one? I guess as long as they won't ship more than a couple GB of RAM they won't bother with it.

Pine64 are pretty good for CPU and RAM, but you will be loosing out on the great support things like Raspberry Pi SBCs have

Edit: forgot to mention Pine64 starts at like 15 usd for 512Mb Ram or 19 usd for 1GB and like 29USd for 2Gb also from 19 usd up they have gigabit(can be hard to max out due to various issues IIRC, check forum), and the high end version is still cheaper than a RPi3 IIRC

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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> Sure, none of these chips are new, and the older models (which are easily & cheaply accessible... The then-older chips were not available with the future volume we needed, unless we increased our volumes a few times. We had little choice but to build on their newer chips for the volume bracket we fell into. Perhaps the situation has changed in two years. > I wouldn't expect jack from Allwinner besides their crummy…

I'd have thought they'd still be better than the chip in the Pi, which last I checked wasn't available at all to anyone but the Pi Foundation (and the proprietary bootloader license didn't allow you to run it on anything non-Pi anyway).

The licensing and supply for the RasPi were pretty off-putting to us. Sure, we aren't making a custom board, but I don't want to be held captive to a single supplier that can stop producing boards at any time, whether that is due to a lack of chips or a lack of desire.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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x86 is mutually exclusive with 'well designed'. Arm slightly less so, especially v8, although GPUs are all still 'secret sauce' (except newer nvidia I read). I'd really like to switch everything from x86 to arm sooner than later.

Would you elaborate on that? I've encountered a lot of ARM (and other archs) around, while, on the contrary, x86 seems to have a pretty decent base (excluding some horribile chinese-designed tablets).

I guess they're talking about the SoC/ISA rather than the board designed around it. x86 is generally considered a rather clunky/bad ISA and often sniped by — I don't think the term is really good but can't really find a better one — ISA pedants.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Any of those x86? or is that mutually exclusive with "cheap"?

Depends on how cheap, the Minnowboard starts at $150 https://minnowboard.org

There seem to be better-performing x86 Windows Mini PCs available for less. Come in a proper case and with a power supply.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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I think the main issues with all of these rasbi alternatives is the software. As ... quirky ... as the rasbi is, the software support and optimisation is excellent. There are several speed comparisons on youtube where the rasbi beats a lot of the competition through sheer software optimisation. Honestly, without complete Upstream Kernel support and Open Sourcing of all necessary drivers, none of these Boards is reall…

I have to say, having tried both the RPi and Tinker Board, the Tinker Board's GPU driver is far better. Yes, it's proprietary, but unfortunately the RPi driver is simply not reliable enough to run something like WebGL in Chromium. It's slow and glitchy. The Tinker Board runs WebGL like a dream by comparison.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Even though you're gray (modded down), there's significant issues with the RPi. Here's some. 1. Boot is still a mystery. It boots from the GPU with "magic registers", then passes to the CPU...? 2. There's no specs available for the GPIOs. 5v tolerant? SPI max speed? Pullups/downs? Nada.. 3. DRM baked in. RasPi foundation cheaped out on the MPEG2 decoder, and you need to pay $5 to enable hardware decoding. 4. Needs my…

1. boot is a mystery with all commercial SoCs? Show me one that doesn't have an untouchable binary blob in onboard memory. 3. MPEG2 decoding can be done with software just fine? 4. Again, show me one without driver blobs. This is mostly the fault of the chip makers and not the RPi foundation. 5. Power management is a kernel feature? 6. agree

There's nothing mysterious about the Allwinner boot process at least. While there's an on-chip boot ROM that can't be modified, it just loads a chunk of code into SRAM from the boot device and jumps to it at the highest privilege level supported by the hardware. It's not uncommon for everything after the boot ROM to be 100% open source code. That simply isn't possible on the Pi, which is why Debian doesn't support it out the box.

Also, the lack of power management on the Pi is mostly a hardware limitation. The hardware simply doesn't support any kind of software-controlled shutdown or suspend.

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