Live data from Hacker News

California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

bloomberg.com

231–240 of 251 posts

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#231
post #62

> It was difficult to find employees to go on the record. Like a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley, workers signed non-disclosure agreements. NDAs usually are put in place so workers don't share any trade secrets or proprietary technology. So some workers were scared to talk to us because of this NDA they sign for working at Tesla. Damn, so workers were afraid to speak up and spread the injury info because they…

I thought generally NDAs are sort of unenforceable.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The real problem for Tesla is that their destiny is probably to be the next BMW - a good midrange luxury car maker, about #12 in the world on volume I think this is dead on. People are expecting Tesla to be the GM of EV's but that's never going to happen. GM will be the GM of EV's. Bolt and Nissan Leaf have both far outsold all Tesla models combined, and that's not even a fraction of the worldwide EV fleet that exis…

> Bolt and Nissan Leaf have both far outsold all Tesla models combined, and that's not even a fraction of the worldwide EV fleet that exists now. And Android phones are for more numerous than iPhones. My point here is just that pure number of units sold does not determine a company's value.

But iPhones are sold for a profit. I'm not sure that Tesla cars are (especially when those government EV subsidies expire).

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#233
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: "Things in the universe happen for no greater reason at all, they just happen according to a small and simple set of laws that describe the behavior of matter-energy and space-time" vs. "There's a being, which is conscious, all-knowing and all-powerful, sitting somewhere, or actually nowhere, that uses its power to set things in motion or not, depending on its mood, and how it likes some people, but by n…

Using longer sentences and adding arbitrary words does not make an explanation more complex. I was simply pointing out that simplest explanation may not always be the most accurate.

Occam's Razor is about the need of additional assumptions to explain observed behaviour. Existance of a god is a pretty heavy assumption, ergo that explanation is not the simple one.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#234
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you trying to point out that Occam's Razor is flawed? Occam's Razor would tell you that evolution (which has over a century of evidence) is more likely than a designer god (which is lacking in evidence).

God is simpler then original theory of evolution which is simple the current evolutionary theory. Occam razor favors simplications over careful analysis.

Occam's Razor is not about superficial simplicity but rather about the need of additional assumptions. God existing is a very big assumption, so that theory is the less simple one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real problem for Tesla is that their destiny is probably to be the next BMW - a good midrange luxury car maker Tesla doesn't do well at the things a non-novelty luxury car maker needs to do well, and EVs are only luxury cars now due to novelty.

I wouldn’t call the Nissan Leaf or GM Bolt+Volt luxury cars at any stretch - thought I appreciate they’re priced $10k more than they should be. I’m still convinced GM and BMW are deliberately trying to delay, if not sabotage, the mass adoption of BEV cars.

> I’m still convinced GM and BMW are deliberately trying to delay, if not sabotage, the mass adoption of BEV cars.

Interesting.

Can you explain both their (presumed) reasoning, and the indicators you see?

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#237
post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it is reverse. Evolution is much simpler as a theory than an idea of God creating everything correctly

By correctly you mean "in present state"?

Yes, as in the currently observable state because since there's no such thing as evolution, then from the beginning god would have had to create every single relationship that all living and non-living things had, have or will have.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#238
post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By correctly you mean "in present state"?

Yes, as in the currently observable state because since there's no such thing as evolution, then from the beginning god would have had to create every single relationship that all living and non-living things had, have or will have.

Since God is assumed to be all powerful and all knowing, it would follow that he would have no problem to create the world "correctly".

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NDAs are out of control everywhere. I understand they have a time and a place where they are useful, but most of the time they are being abused (ie. Stormy Daniels NDA, etc).

No, most of the time they are rather unremarkable and don't cause problems for anybody. You hear about the outliers, not the thousands and thousands of NDAs that are never disputed.

The last 3 NDAs I've signed were entirely reasonable; I'm not allowed to tell you who our customers were, but that's all it covers.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

#240
post #62

> It was difficult to find employees to go on the record. Like a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley, workers signed non-disclosure agreements. NDAs usually are put in place so workers don't share any trade secrets or proprietary technology. So some workers were scared to talk to us because of this NDA they sign for working at Tesla. Damn, so workers were afraid to speak up and spread the injury info because they…

Planet Money recently had a podcast about the growth and overreach of NDAs:

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/04/06/600412430/epis...

Post reply on HN