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The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by jsilence »

sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

Regarding the first question of your post: two things. one: no gpio pins on the phone. two: short model production cycles. Sure, there is a certain fluctuation on the SBC landscape, but the models lifetime and availability is usually much longer than with phones.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by adrianN »

sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

The Pi has HDMI and can play full HD.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by johnthedebs »

sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

As someone who's been obsessing over SBCs recently, your comment really got me thinking. Many of the additions/changes I want to make to my Raspberry Pis is to make them more like a smartphone (microphone, camera, GPS, touchscreen, battery). And as an iOS user, I'm considering buying an Android phone just to play around with because it's so cheap and capable for odd projects.

That said, some easy things that come to mind regarding the usefulness of the Raspberry Pi and other SBCs:

1. GPIO pins for connecting external sensors/modules/peripherals

2. More "personal computer"-style ports than a phone (standard USB, ethernet, HDMI ports) which are good for things like small file servers, retro game consoles, or light desktop use (to name a few things)

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by sandGorgon »

jsilence wrote: post #111
sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

Regarding the first question of your post: two things. one: no gpio pins on the phone. two: short model production cycles. Sure, there is a certain fluctuation on the SBC landscape, but the models lifetime and availability is usually much longer than with phones.

Why would model production cycles impact you in the Android world. My current app runs seamlessly on nearly 200 hundred different models (in India).

The application dev ecosystem and abstractions are very different in the Android world. Accessing the GPS is completely independent of underlying hardware and is already something we run happily on a daily basis.

On gpio - curious. What applications would you use it for ? Generally they are useful for attaching peripherals like GPS modules, wifi,etc....And I grant there might be some modules that you might need. But isn't the phone solving the 99 percentile use case without need for gpio?

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by HIPisTheAnswer »

jiggunjer wrote: post #103
dchest wrote: post #74

Some more cheap SBCs from my bookmarks: - BananaPi (Allwinner, MediaTek): http://www.banana-pi.org/ - Le Potato (Amlogic) and Renegate (Rockchip): https://libre.computer/ - NanoPi (Samsung, Allwinner) : http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/category&... - OLinuXino (open hardware, Allwinner A20, A64, etc, iMX, Ralink): https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/ - Odroid (Amlogic, Samsung): http://www.har…

Any of those x86? or is that mutually exclusive with "cheap"?

x86 is mutually exclusive with 'well designed'. Arm slightly less so, especially v8, although GPUs are all still 'secret sauce' (except newer nvidia I read). I'd really like to switch everything from x86 to arm sooner than later.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by sandGorgon »

johnthedebs wrote: post #113
sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

As someone who's been obsessing over SBCs recently, your comment really got me thinking. Many of the additions/changes I want to make to my Raspberry Pis is to make them more like a smartphone (microphone, camera, GPS, touchscreen, battery). And as an iOS user, I'm considering buying an Android phone just to play around with because it's so cheap and capable for odd projects. That said, some easy things that come to…

I made this comment in another reply.

>On gpio - curious. What applications would you use it for ? Generally they are useful for attaching peripherals like GPS modules, wifi,etc....And I grant there might be some modules that you might need. But isn't the phone solving the 99 percentile use case without need for gpio?

External ports like USB, HDMI,etc are easily done. In fact, there are zillions more accessories for the Android world than the RPI world. And cheaper too. https://youtu.be/n1BBX6hEo8E

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by gh02t »

johnthedebs wrote: post #113
sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

As someone who's been obsessing over SBCs recently, your comment really got me thinking. Many of the additions/changes I want to make to my Raspberry Pis is to make them more like a smartphone (microphone, camera, GPS, touchscreen, battery). And as an iOS user, I'm considering buying an Android phone just to play around with because it's so cheap and capable for odd projects. That said, some easy things that come to…

Also wired Ethernet. Running a server over WiFi is flaky, especially on a phone optimized for low power usage. The Pi's wired networking is lackluster, but it's still more stable than WiFi.

And adding on to GPIO, the Pi has easy to use SPI and i2c busses. That opens up a huge range of sensors and other things like displays that work with easy to understand code. For a lot of use cases it's better to think of the RasPi as a very beefed up Arduino, not a barebones PC (or phone).

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by kaoD »

sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

- RPi isn't Chinese, as in, I'm not locked in (by default) into a Chinese stock OS with god-knows-what spyware installed.

- It runs Linux as a first-party-sanctioned OS. Great ecosystem for tinkering. Not locked in to the whims of the manufacturer OS updates.

- GPIO pins.

- No built-in screen (which I guess draws less power).

- HDMI, USB and Ethernet ports.

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by elcritch »

Const-me wrote: post #29

Tinkerboard has amazingly performant GPU. Peak performance is 81.6GFlops, comparable to mid-range desktop GPUs from 2007 (e.g. GeForce 8400 GS had 67 GFlops, GeForce 8600 GT had 114 GFlops). It also supports 4k HDMI output resolution. RPi is more compatible i.e. the software stack supports OpenGL. But for cases where it’s OK to code against GLES, Mali-T764 is awesome. I once used NanoVG to build a very nice looking r…

If the Mali-T764’s support GLES and provides the correct libraries you can compile an embedded version of QT5 which runs directly on GLES [cf 0, for an RPi example]. Though the NanoVG seems more fun!

Edit: grammar 0: https://wiki.qt.io/RaspberryPi2EGLFS

Re: The ASUS Tinker Board is a compelling upgrade from a Raspberry Pi 3 B+

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Post by sandGorgon »

kaoD wrote: post #118
sandGorgon wrote: post #110

what kind of projects does the Raspberry Pi shine in which a 35-50$ phone cant do ? let's say this one - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3000mAh-Homtom-HT16-5-0-inch... ) running Android 6.0 in a 1GB RAM package. You have access to battery, GPS, wifi, USB, acclerometer and a display out of the box (which you typically pay extra for on rpi). And obviously... Android. P.S. remember Android 6.0 has COSU mode to set your…

- RPi isn't Chinese, as in, I'm not locked in (by default) into a Chinese stock OS with god-knows-what spyware installed. - It runs Linux as a first-party-sanctioned OS. Great ecosystem for tinkering. Not locked in to the whims of the manufacturer OS updates. - GPIO pins. - No built-in screen (which I guess draws less power). - HDMI, USB and Ethernet ports.

Any Android phone can be rooted and flashed to Lineage os atleast.

For other points, I have mentioned in other comments.

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