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Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by stevenwoo »

Animats wrote: post #119

"... ideologically motivated attack by an extremist organization working directly with union supporters to create a calculated disinformation campaign against Tesla. The piece even includes an interview with Worksafe – the same organization that the UAW enlisted to publish a negative report against Tesla last year, and whose board includes labor union officials and advocates. "[1] - from Tesla's own site. Wow. That s…

Reveal won a Pulitzer Prize in this year for revealing how all around the country judges steered convicted drug offenders into rehab / thinly disguised private industry work camps. I guess that is pretty extremist if one is in favor of private industry work camps and judges benefiting from them. Nomination details: http://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/amy-julia-harris-and-shosh...

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by erobbins »

briandear wrote: post #87
mschuster91 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think somebody needs to do something about this NDA situation, it’s getting out of control in SV Not just in SV, it's all over the world. IMHO the right of protection for whistleblowers should be made a basic human right, in order to protect people worldwide who are afraid to speak out.

California law DOES protect whistleblowers. The law is extremely clear. Those laws even provide for damages due to retailiation.

Sure. As long as you can prove that you experienced retaliation due to your whistleblowing and not because you were late to work 2 times this year, and can afford to litigate it.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by jonathankoren »

sf_rob wrote: post #11
austincheney wrote: post #3

Does Tesla have automation problems? They appear to be having atrocious labor conditions while putting out a very small quantity of product compared with absolutely everybody else.

Musk in an interview last week said as much (re: automation). He claims that the Model 3 line was over-automated so now they're tearing out sections for rework while doing more with the labor on hand. (Although they're about to also install new sections from their German automation subsidiary so it goes both ways).

I happen to work at a place that has three Model 3s on the parking lot. I looked at them all yesterday. All three had the trunk lid installed haphazardly.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by icantdrive55 »

I don't know the whole story, but I am so glad he hasen't sold out his country/morals; and moved the whole operation overseas.

It must be on his mind.

At this point, I really admire the guy--on so many levels.

(On a personal level, I despise foxey companies that exploit Globalism. Globalism? The rich have really brainwashed us?)

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by jonathankoren »

rgbrenner wrote: post #74
StudentStuff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole play with making their own tooling seems ill conceived at Tesla's small scale, and it has definitely set the Model 3's production back quite a bit.

This has been true across the board at Tesla... they make almost all of the parts in house, even when there are established reliable providers... even when it costs them more and results in lower quality.. even when they are already short staffed. Musk is pro-NIH syndrome. In fairness, Musk says they will eventually be as reliable, and as high quality as others and it'll be cheaper.. one day. That's the common NIH fa…

This is the same guy that promised full self-driving by the end of last year right? He's got a habit of over promising and under delivering when it comes to Tesla.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by chalkandpaste »

komali2 wrote: post #41
chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

With respect to you and your friend, I'm automatically skeptical of stories like this. We're on the internet, after all. Has your friend spoken to news agencies about this? Why not, if he/she hasn't? Surely any of the major news agencies would be watering at the mouth for a story like this.

Hey I don’t blame you for being skeptical, it’s the way of the internet. I don’t think media attention is what he wants as he is still attempting to work through legal recourse.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by taf2 »

on_and_off wrote: post #137
taf2 wrote: post #83

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your loss, they're the best cars on the road. it's iphone 2007 vs flip phone...

I am fine, thanks. I really enjoy not needing a car and don't enjoy driving, even a nice one. The various reports of low quality of Tesla's cars (like their doors :/ ) have also contributed to suppress any tesla envy. If I really needed a car right now, I would start by comparing the different ones on the market, Tesla is not the only player in town anymore.

Uh ok... clearly you have no idea about what a Tesla is or maybe never driven one or even ridden in one... why are you commenting on things you have no experience in?

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by chalkandpaste »

idoh wrote: post #29
chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

That's crazy. What happened, generally speaking? Was he hit by something, or more along the lines of a receptive stress injury?

I believe the issue was repeated stress causing tendons to tear in one leg and one arm. There have been reports that the machinery Tesla uses puts unnecessary strain on the body and the hours this man was working, I can easily see this happening.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by jacquesm »

komali2 wrote: post #143
mabufo wrote: post #60

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What are you skeptical about? That this person's friend is actually injured? That it happened because of tesla? People get injured at work. Maybe not where YOU work, but it absolutely happens. Also, the subtext of your comment - that this person OF COURSE would have contacted a news organization if their claim was legitimate is frankly very weird.

I am skeptical by default of anything on the internet posted on forums with nothing more than an email requirement. I voice this skepticism because as a hobby I lie on reddit profusely and then track this misinformation, sometimes for years later. I've seen unfactual "memes" spread across reddit like wildfire, such as "eating honey prevents allergies." It's often traceable to a single sub-tree comment in a single pop…

So, let me get this straight: because you are dick and purposefully pollute another forum with lies you think that someone who relates a story about a friend is also automatically a dick and a liar.

This comment says a lot more about you than it does about the OP and from now on I will consider everything you write on HN to a lie.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by tzakrajs »

briandear wrote: post #87
mschuster91 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think somebody needs to do something about this NDA situation, it’s getting out of control in SV Not just in SV, it's all over the world. IMHO the right of protection for whistleblowers should be made a basic human right, in order to protect people worldwide who are afraid to speak out.

California law DOES protect whistleblowers. The law is extremely clear. Those laws even provide for damages due to retailiation.

Sure, except they only protect you from retaliation by your current employer. It does nothing to help you retain new employment once your reputation precludes you from opportunities at companies with draconian H.R. policies aimed at mitigating risk. Maybe existing or forthcoming case law can tell us more about how this plays out in reality.
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