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Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

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Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#31

I'd start with "it's not always about you" because it's likely to stop them in their tracks long enough to get a real explanation in. Stalkers, harassers, identity thieves, and other criminals routinely use perfectly innocent information about people to harm them. So do some parts of the government, unfortunately. Even if you are not a target (which is less likely than you think), others certainly are. Children have…

This is the argument I am using most of the time. Most people agree that there are malicious actors out there, and that many would be able to exploit free access to a person's personal data in some way.

Would you trust a burgular with your location data when you're on vacation? No? Neither would I.

Would you trust a business you barely know anything about to keep your location data out of the hands of someone who commits crime for a living? In my case, not a chance.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#32

May I suggest reminding people of Martin Niemöller's famous statement post WWII? It begins "When [they] came for the socialists, I remained silent. I was not a socialist." It ends, "When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." This exaggerates the downside of handing over lots of information to a third party to use however they please. But it points out the assumption that "I", whoever "I" happens to b…

Ah, you beat me to it, I quoted it as well.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#35
It is important to point out that the quality of the data is not important. There is no such thing as dangerous vs harmless data, because that quality completely depends on the context.

So I usually give a context in which "harmless" data can be misused to build trust for scamming schemes (something, that most people, that do not care about data privacy, fear a lot as real threat). I look, for example, in the fb-timeline of my counterpart and immediately come up with a story, how I, as a stranger with scamming intentions, would ring their doorbell and tell some story why I need to enter the house or collect some money or the like, making myself believable with the information I collected from the social media sites. In the same way I describe how I would draft a spear phishing mail, pretending to be some member of the inner circle by using public information of that circle.

Finally I point them to the contradiction, that they ask their neighbour to empty the mailbox during their vacation, so nobody can see they are away, but then they provide a live-coverage of their trip in social media. Once they get the picture, that the burglar might not be walking down the streets looking for overflowing mailboxes but rather investigate his potential victims on facebook, they start to reconsider the "I have nothing to hide"-opinion.

The trick is to set the topic into a context that is comprehensible and likely. People can often not imagine how their average lives could be interesting for corporates and governments - it is a perceived unlikelyness on a deeper level: not only do they believe that corporates and governments would not misuse privacy data, they cannot even see why such a misuse could be of any value. In their perception, there is no misuse, because there is no reason for misuse.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#36
Well first remind them of the difference between secrecy and privacy:

"Hide? We all know what is done in the bathroom, yet we still close the door."

Then you might point out that it is not about them, but the worst of everyone else, globally. Worst in business ethics, willingness to influence, extent of tracking, or criminality to steal a pw database - it matters little as there's someone covering all of those options.

"Nothing to hide? What is your most unusual sexual fantasy, mother's maiden name, first pet, credit card PIN, FB and email password, SSN? I'll only mention them in one place online, delete after a day and pay back double what I spend."

Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#37
post #9

I remember seeing a documentary featuring Edward Snowden, where he said something along the lines: "Saying "I do not care about my privacy, because I have nothing to hide", is like saying "I do not care about freedom of speech, because I have nothing to say"" This explanation stuck with me, because I find it extremely useful in situations when explaining the importance of privacy online to non-technical people.

I use this same example, and it works well.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good response to “It's fine, I've got nothing to hide online”?

#38
Totally fine with it. Giges parabole (platon) is about the fact that no morality can exists without the look of the others (hero finds a ring that makes you invisible and then kills, steals, rapes).

But, if powerful persons do force this on the population then I demand that they also live by the same rules.

Power is making other do what others cannot make you do.

So I wait for the bless day we all can leave in an house of glass, but this will happen only the day the leaders will show the example. Else, we would be in the situation of the panopticon (prison) were we all can be scrutinized but the guardians.

But who will guard us from the guardians?

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