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Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by rootlocus »

protomyth wrote: post #64
bch wrote: post #53

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Wow - I heard it was called JavaScript to cash in on the familiarity of the name Java, but I didn’t realize it was at the behest of Sun.

If you look at the Java timeline, the full Java marketing blitz wasn’t in full swing. JavaScript was announced on December 4, 1995 and Java (alpha) was public in March of the same year. A stable Java wasn’t available until 1996. It was more coordinated than riding the coattails.

> the full Java marketing blitz wasn’t in full swing

Pun unintended I guess, but still funny.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by mikekchar »

xkcd-sucks wrote: post #13
_sdegutis wrote: post #10

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Meh, I learned modern JavaScript and dove deep into how JS works over the last year and I think it’s probably one of my favorite dynamic languages if not my most favorite one. The syntax is a nice sweet spot, the semantics make more sense in most situations than Ruby or Python, the lacking standard library has been more than made up for by third part packages. I’d love to work in JS in the future which isn’t somethin…

Try maintaining and extending a codebase founded on all those third party packages, over a period of several years

Just be careful about what third party packages you are using. It's not like users of other languages don't have the same problem (Case in point: I earn my salary working on several legacy Rails apps).

I've worked on a Node application with express, underscore and redis (we didn't need a full DB -- name value pairs were fine). I'm not even sure if using express is worth it. In our case it stayed completely out of our way, so I can't really complain. My only regret was using jasmine for testing. I would definitely use mocha these days. For server side, just use Node modules and ES6. No need to complicate it with transpilers, build tools, etc, etc.

Ironically, client side is much more of a hassle (I still haven't found a build tool that I think is worth using).

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by rootlocus »

swsieber wrote: post #54
marshray wrote: post #22

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A lot of what's said and written about genericized trademarks is just utter BS. Go ahead and market a product named Thermos, Chapstick, Band-Aid, or Kleenex in the US and see how far you get.

That's not the issue here. Try selling a product called "Kleenex Dispenser" or "Man's Guide to Kleenex" and see how far you get. That's a more analogous example.

> I'm surprised that "JavaScript" has not become a generic trademark

If Kleenex = Java and Kleenex Dispenser = javascript, your argument is wrong.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by StavrosK »

mathgladiator wrote: post #100
hyperpallium wrote: post #96

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If you have a pretty low opinion of Oracle just because of that, you don't know much about Oracle.

Are you saying the reality is much worse? Or that Oracle has a bright side?

The former, Oracle is pretty much the devil of the tech world.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by rootlocus »

vatueil wrote: post #81
voxadam wrote: post #66

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Another comment pointed out that Netscape originally planned to call it LiceScript but was encouraged by Sun to change it JavaScript so I say if we're going to change the name we go with the original one. Either that or argue that the original holder of the Java trademark essentially blessed the use of its mark and continue calling it JavaScript.

> LiceScript Ahem, "LiveScript": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#History

I don't know... LiceScript has a nice ring to it.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by poizan42 »

userbinator wrote: post #24
giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

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If I had to explain Oracle to anyone I would only say that their motto is simply "Do all evil."

One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.

Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc#t=38m28s (quote at 38m28s)

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by jacquesm »

mathgladiator wrote: post #100
hyperpallium wrote: post #96

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If you have a pretty low opinion of Oracle just because of that, you don't know much about Oracle.

Are you saying the reality is much worse? Or that Oracle has a bright side?

Oracle exists mainly to make Microsoft look good.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by dotancohen »

swsieber wrote: post #54
marshray wrote: post #22

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A lot of what's said and written about genericized trademarks is just utter BS. Go ahead and market a product named Thermos, Chapstick, Band-Aid, or Kleenex in the US and see how far you get.

That's not the issue here. Try selling a product called "Kleenex Dispenser" or "Man's Guide to Kleenex" and see how far you get. That's a more analogous example.

More apt would be KleenexScript.

The community would call the FOSS build system "snot" and the linter "nosebleed".

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Post by dotancohen »

vatueil wrote: post #81
voxadam wrote: post #66

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Another comment pointed out that Netscape originally planned to call it LiceScript but was encouraged by Sun to change it JavaScript so I say if we're going to change the name we go with the original one. Either that or argue that the original holder of the Java trademark essentially blessed the use of its mark and continue calling it JavaScript.

> LiceScript Ahem, "LiveScript": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript#History

Fitting. The direction the JavaScript community has been going in for the past half decade has left me scratching my head often.
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