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Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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[deleted. Netscape licensed "Java" name from Sun.]

Yes, thank goodness that those impudent thugs that usurped the good name of Java are getting their comeuppance 25 years later. This will teach Reddit user imacpro1 a lesson that he will not soon forget!

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had to explain Oracle to anyone I would only say that their motto is simply "Do all evil."

It's more accurately "take money" — don't anthropomorphize them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246

Heh and adding on to that... "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil"

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Finally, the ultimate reason to kill off JavaScript once and for all!

Meh, I learned modern JavaScript and dove deep into how JS works over the last year and I think it’s probably one of my favorite dynamic languages if not my most favorite one. The syntax is a nice sweet spot, the semantics make more sense in most situations than Ruby or Python, the lacking standard library has been more than made up for by third part packages. I’d love to work in JS in the future which isn’t somethin…

Try maintaining and extending a codebase founded on all those third party packages, over a period of several years

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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Is anyone else bothered by the likelihood that the writer of this sentence doesn't believe it's true?

The unauthorized display of our client's intellectual property is likely to cause consumers encountering this app to mistakenly believe that it emanates from, or is provided under a license from, Oracle.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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I'm surprised that "JavaScript" has not become a generic trademark [0]. Examples from the Wikipedia article include Thermos, Chapstick, and Dumpster. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

I was at a keynote about 6 years ago where Brendan Eich said he thought it'd be indefensible as a trademark now too, though I must note it was just his opinion. That Oracle are now suddenly attempting to defend the trademark must mean something..

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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I knew that Microsoft had to call their ECMAScript implementation JScript, but it never dawned on me that Oracle is the current owner of the "JavaScript" trademark: http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=2416017&caseSearchType=US_... Between this and Oracle's ongoing lawsuit against Google for their use of Java in Android, I have a pretty low opinion of Oracle.

If I had to explain Oracle to anyone I would only say that their motto is simply "Do all evil."

Bryan Cantrill on Oracle: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2044

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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post #3

Finally, the ultimate reason to kill off JavaScript once and for all!

It would be nice if eliminating web scripting was as simple as Oracle asserting their trademark rights.

I might actually forgive Oracle if that happened.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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I'm surprised that "JavaScript" has not become a generic trademark [0]. Examples from the Wikipedia article include Thermos, Chapstick, and Dumpster. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

A test case might be needed. If Oracle were to sue a deep-pocketed competitor over the trademark, then we might find a court reaching the conclusion that the trademark has been diluted and the name is now generic. But if Oracle does no such thing, and sues only shallow-pocketed "nobodies", then the legal status of the mark will remain unclear.

My guess is Oracle would only do the latter, and that they're doing it because some lawyer thinks that Oracle has to do this to demonstrate that it is defending the mark even though that's nonsense if they don't go after notable unlicensed uses of their mark.

Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to a corporate lawyer.

Re: Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app

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post #15

I'm surprised that "JavaScript" has not become a generic trademark [0]. Examples from the Wikipedia article include Thermos, Chapstick, and Dumpster. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

I was at a keynote about 6 years ago where Brendan Eich said he thought it'd be indefensible as a trademark now too, though I must note it was just his opinion. That Oracle are now suddenly attempting to defend the trademark must mean something..

It may mean nothing more than that some Oracle lawyer is keeping busy, showing that they are pulling their weight.
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